How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub • Hacker News Board

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 10:20 AM UTC

Tepix wrote: post #19

kwyjibo12345 wrote: post #7

Having worked as a researcher all my life in academia and the industry, I can only support Sci-Hub. Publishing as it works currently is an incredibly time consuming and expensive process funneling tremendous amounts of tax money into the pocḱets of publishers. To some extent the whole situation reminds me of the video and music content piracy era in the early 2000s. I hope there will be an equivalent of Apple Music/S…

These papers that have been paid for by tax payers and peer reviewed for free should be made freely available legally.

> papers that have been paid for by tax payers and peer reviewed for free should be made freely available legally

There is a legitimate argument in the value added of curating research into journals. The publishers don’t do this. But simply eliminating that curation mode is unlikely to be feasible.

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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Post by petercooper » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 10:25 AM UTC

kwyjibo12345 wrote: post #17

j-pb wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This completely misses the point. Every piece of value generating work in the chain of paper publication is done by people paid by universities and in turn by taxpayer money. The publishing companies give 0 pay to the volunteers that write and peer review the papers. At most (and often even not that), they pay the person that does the final formatting (which is often already done by the author). So it often boils dow…

The common life cycle of a paper is as follows: 1. Academics write and submit papers -> university/tax money pays 2. Academics review papers -> university/tax money pays 3. Academics organize and attend conferences -> university/tax money pays 4. University buys published paper from publishers -> university/tax money pays So university/tax money pays for writing the paper, quality assurance via reviews, conferences,…

Somewhere between step 3 and 4, I assume the publisher gets hold of the paper and acquires a license to resell it? How does that part work and why do universities/academics support it if they could just distribute it for free or via an open journal? Is it solely to get the "kudos" of being in particular publications?

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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Post by nix23 » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 10:29 AM UTC

lovasoa wrote: post #15

The original article presents her in a very bright light, as a smart and brave woman who is engaged in a legal battle against large greedy corporations. And I find the photo quite cool. I think she is just overly susceptible, and maybe a little bit paranoid (which is understandable for a person with enemies as powerful as hers). This reminds me of the time when a russian entomologist named a new wasp species he disco…

>and she took offense because the wasp was a parasite species, and blocked sci-hub in Russia for several months in retaliation

Sounds like shes the wrong person in charge of sci-hub. Blocking access to ~free knowledge because one is offended is probably even worse...that's the mindset of dictators no?

And Russia is probably her only protection not being assange'd already.

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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Post by uniqueid » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 10:29 AM UTC

kwyjibo12345 wrote: post #7

Having worked as a researcher all my life in academia and the industry, I can only support Sci-Hub. Publishing as it works currently is an incredibly time consuming and expensive process funneling tremendous amounts of tax money into the pocḱets of publishers. To some extent the whole situation reminds me of the video and music content piracy era in the early 2000s. I hope there will be an equivalent of Apple Music/S…

Sci-Hub is probably the best thing on the internet, but the fact that some rando had to create it doesn't speak well for the state of our world. If humanity weren't dysfunctional, academic institutions would have beaten Elbakyan to the punch back in the 1990s.

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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Post by tokai » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 10:31 AM UTC

lovasoa wrote: post #15

The original article presents her in a very bright light, as a smart and brave woman who is engaged in a legal battle against large greedy corporations. And I find the photo quite cool. I think she is just overly susceptible, and maybe a little bit paranoid (which is understandable for a person with enemies as powerful as hers). This reminds me of the time when a russian entomologist named a new wasp species he disco…

It is getting a bit embarrassing. Wished she disregarded things about her person. All kind of stuff is going to be said and written about you when your a globally known person. Better, and healthier, to focus on defending the cause and not yourself.

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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Post by Tenoke » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 10:31 AM UTC

lovasoa wrote: post #15

The original article presents her in a very bright light, as a smart and brave woman who is engaged in a legal battle against large greedy corporations. And I find the photo quite cool. I think she is just overly susceptible, and maybe a little bit paranoid (which is understandable for a person with enemies as powerful as hers). This reminds me of the time when a russian entomologist named a new wasp species he disco…

Yeah, she's doing God's work and sci-hub is amazing but Elbakyan is an odd person who gets extremely paranoid and defensive, holds weird beliefs and often does things that are over the top.

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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Post by AlgorithmicTime » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 10:32 AM UTC

lovasoa wrote: post #15

The original article presents her in a very bright light, as a smart and brave woman who is engaged in a legal battle against large greedy corporations. And I find the photo quite cool. I think she is just overly susceptible, and maybe a little bit paranoid (which is understandable for a person with enemies as powerful as hers). This reminds me of the time when a russian entomologist named a new wasp species he disco…

TBF, having a parasitic wasp named after you is a kind of "Thanks.... I think?" moment at best.

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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Post by Tenoke » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 10:33 AM UTC

uniqueid wrote: post #24

kwyjibo12345 wrote: post #7

Having worked as a researcher all my life in academia and the industry, I can only support Sci-Hub. Publishing as it works currently is an incredibly time consuming and expensive process funneling tremendous amounts of tax money into the pocḱets of publishers. To some extent the whole situation reminds me of the video and music content piracy era in the early 2000s. I hope there will be an equivalent of Apple Music/S…

Sci-Hub is probably the best thing on the internet, but the fact that some rando had to create it doesn't speak well for the state of our world. If humanity weren't dysfunctional, academic institutions would have beaten Elbakyan to the punch back in the 1990s.

Sci-Hub is not especially legal so an actual institution isn't really able to create it instead.

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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Post by duiker101 » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 10:39 AM UTC

tokai wrote: post #25

lovasoa wrote: post #15

The original article presents her in a very bright light, as a smart and brave woman who is engaged in a legal battle against large greedy corporations. And I find the photo quite cool. I think she is just overly susceptible, and maybe a little bit paranoid (which is understandable for a person with enemies as powerful as hers). This reminds me of the time when a russian entomologist named a new wasp species he disco…

It is getting a bit embarrassing. Wished she disregarded things about her person. All kind of stuff is going to be said and written about you when your a globally known person. Better, and healthier, to focus on defending the cause and not yourself.

Way easier said than done. Especially for someone that maybe wasn't searching to be fully in the spotlight or that is not used to it.

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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Post by tallanvor » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 10:41 AM UTC

jannes wrote: post #3

mnd999 wrote: post #2

As a native English speaker, I take “one-woman show” to mean it’s just her.

Probably she didn't say "show" in russian though. Some things are getting lost in translation here. She laments that The Chronicle doesn't credit her as doing actual work by describing what she does as a "show" instead. (implying that a male is doing the actual devops work behind the scenes)

Except that by saying that it's a "one woman show", they are giving her all the credit for the site, and that's what a fluent English speaker will understand. It's not The Chronicle's fault that she misinterpreted the article.