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Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

#11

Post by maweki »

undfg wrote: post #10
maweki wrote: post #2

We employed the method of mixing the order of questions, not giving question titles, and having a pool of subtly different questions (a negation or a different constant slipped in) in order to vastly increase the amount of necessary communication to collaborate. We had the students turn on their webcams just to discourage them sitting in the same room, which basically would negate our former efforts. Neither did we f…

>We employed the method of mixing the order of questions, not giving question titles, and having a pool of subtly different questions (a negation or a different constant slipped in) What an awful burden to put on the shoulders of the already overworked and underpaid professors.

We did this through the exam software (Browser-Based). Everything not checked automatically (multiple choice) was sorted by question in the backend. We (the examiners) had all the information. It was just hidden from the students.

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

#13

Post by dna_polymerase »

> A federally-funded study found that even the best facial recognition algorithms fail to work on Black and brown people, trans and non-binary people, as well as children and women in general.

I assume it is black and brown trans and non-binary people. I don't see an algorithm fail because someone identifies as anything. However, why even mention it here, in this context? It makes the people behind this sound ridiculous.

Aside from the technical difficulties with image recognition on BPoC which make this sort of tech a non-starter, I think universities and schools need to (finally) find a way to assess people that does not involve anything that can be cheated by having a book open next do the computer. Projects and papers and weekly problem sets to solve are a way better way to assess people.

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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Post by deadfish »

LysPJ wrote: post #9

For anyone unfamiliar with the term (like me!), Wikipedia says Eproctoring is: [...] a form of exam proctoring which involves monitoring student behaviour during exams administered electronically [...]

Massive failure to not have "What is Eproctoring" as the first section of the page.

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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Post by MattGaiser »

dna_polymerase wrote: post #13

> A federally-funded study found that even the best facial recognition algorithms fail to work on Black and brown people, trans and non-binary people, as well as children and women in general. I assume it is black and brown trans and non-binary people. I don't see an algorithm fail because someone identifies as anything. However, why even mention it here, in this context? It makes the people behind this sound ridicul…

It isn't so much a book that is a problem. It is divide and conquer by groups of students.

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

#16

Post by undfg »

maweki wrote: post #11
undfg wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We employed the method of mixing the order of questions, not giving question titles, and having a pool of subtly different questions (a negation or a different constant slipped in) What an awful burden to put on the shoulders of the already overworked and underpaid professors.

We did this through the exam software (Browser-Based). Everything not checked automatically (multiple choice) was sorted by question in the backend. We (the examiners) had all the information. It was just hidden from the students.

Glad that you had an automatic system going, but most universities don't have one and can't fund its development, and wanting to shift this burden to professors is unreasonable.

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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Post by spoonjim »

dna_polymerase wrote: post #13

> A federally-funded study found that even the best facial recognition algorithms fail to work on Black and brown people, trans and non-binary people, as well as children and women in general. I assume it is black and brown trans and non-binary people. I don't see an algorithm fail because someone identifies as anything. However, why even mention it here, in this context? It makes the people behind this sound ridicul…

Everyone wants a tie-in to the hot button issue of the day. You don’t need to get black trans kids involved to point out all of the flaws in Eproctoring.

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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Post by fcatalan »

dna_polymerase wrote: post #13

> A federally-funded study found that even the best facial recognition algorithms fail to work on Black and brown people, trans and non-binary people, as well as children and women in general. I assume it is black and brown trans and non-binary people. I don't see an algorithm fail because someone identifies as anything. However, why even mention it here, in this context? It makes the people behind this sound ridicul…

In our initial trials involving about 5 people the software systematically failed to recognise one woman just because her (pretty standard) hairstyle. It also failed to detect my kids coming up on camera a few times.

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

#19

Post by spoonjim »

I agree that these e-proctoring measures seem draconian, but the flip side of this is absolutely RAMPANT cheating at universities. I don’t know what kind of fair system lies between these two issues.

Also, the domain is poorly chosen, “Bane Proctoring” sounds like a particularly terrifying proctoring service.

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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Post by maweki »

undfg wrote: post #16
maweki wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We did this through the exam software (Browser-Based). Everything not checked automatically (multiple choice) was sorted by question in the backend. We (the examiners) had all the information. It was just hidden from the students.

Glad that you had an automatic system going, but most universities don't have one and can't fund its development, and wanting to shift this burden to professors is unreasonable.

In Germany we have multiple state-sponsored open-source e-learning platforms that basically all support examinations.
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