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Bay Area cities want to end single-family home zoning

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Re: Bay Area cities want to end single-family home zoning

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post #322

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So you have nothing. "Marijuana" is not a law. Please point to a specific law that is racist, please link to the actual statutes/text.

Federal marijuana prohibition and the War on Drugs (yes including laws) is rooted in racial bias. There are a HUGE amount of sources and you aren't acting in good faith so this is pointless. Some links below. You might argue that the context around why these laws, for instance why there are specifically sentencing disparities written into law, doesn't matter because the plain text doesn't say black people shall have…

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Re: Bay Area cities want to end single-family home zoning

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post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you have nothing. "Marijuana" is not a law. Please point to a specific law that is racist, please link to the actual statutes/text.

Federal marijuana prohibition and the War on Drugs (yes including laws) is rooted in racial bias. There are a HUGE amount of sources and you aren't acting in good faith so this is pointless. Some links below. You might argue that the context around why these laws, for instance why there are specifically sentencing disparities written into law, doesn't matter because the plain text doesn't say black people shall have…

>Federal marijuana prohibition and the War on Drugs (yes including laws) is rooted in racial bias.

Somewhat of a myth, and at the end, the law is not biased or racist.

The Democratic party and gun control laws are also "rooted in racial bias". Is continuing gun control laws racist? Is the Democratic party racist?

>There are a HUGE amount of sources and you aren't acting in good faith so this is pointless. Some links below.

None of those links point to specific laws being racist whatsoever. One of you links literally agrees with me: "Athough there is no indication from case law and legislative history that Congress harbored a discriminatory intent when enacting the Anti-Drug Abuse Act"

>You might argue that the context around why these laws, for instance why there are specifically sentencing disparities written into law, doesn't matter because the plain text doesn't say black people shall have a 2x longer sentence. That's ignorant IMHO.

That's not ignorant, that's reality. They're not racist, your own source agreed with me. Meth also has 2x longer sentencing, is that a racist law targeting whites?

>Even so, racist laws were specifically written in plain text IN OUR CONSTITUTION spelling out black worth as only 3/5ths of white.

Are those laws still active? Oh, they're not? Cool, thanks for agreeing with me.

>Nixon's advisor has a 'great' quote plainly laying out the motivation and showing why context and the actual affects of these laws are racist.

These laws predate Nixon by decades. Stop moving goalposts and straw maning.

>you're being purposefully being flippant with a throwaway account so I'm not going to continue responding but go ahead and downvote again.

Translation: "I wasn't able to prove suburbs are racist, so I attempted to strawman and goalpost, but that failed, so I'm just going to take the leftists' exit and call you racist and leave."

Re: Bay Area cities want to end single-family home zoning

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post #332

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You don't get to magically redefine what "racist" is because the current definition doesn't match up with your narrative. Suburbs are de facto and de jure not racist. No one is stopping any race of people from moving to the suburbs, no law is stopping any members of any race from moving to the suburbs, etc. You can definitely make the claim that suburbs are classist, but racist? No.

Seriously? If this was reddit i'd say fck off. That's not what I was saying. I'm pointing out that you for instance, could benefit from some perspective in understanding why there is disagreement between because we fundamentally have different word-views / disagree on the language of this argument. It's like trying to argue about bikes, if your definition of bike is a self powered two wheel and mine is a motorized ma…

>I'm pointing out that you for instance, could benefit from some perspective in understanding why there is disagreement between because we fundamentally have different word-views / disagree on the language of this argument.

There's objective reality, and then there's narrative safe delusions. I guess you're right, my world-view is objective reality, apparently yours isn't.

>It's like trying to argue about bikes, if your definition of bike is a self powered two wheel and mine is a motorized machine.

Poor example. What constitutes the definition of a bike is codified in law LOL! There's that de jure and reality striking again.

Re: Bay Area cities want to end single-family home zoning

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post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you have nothing. "Marijuana" is not a law. Please point to a specific law that is racist, please link to the actual statutes/text.

Federal marijuana prohibition and the War on Drugs (yes including laws) is rooted in racial bias. There are a HUGE amount of sources and you aren't acting in good faith so this is pointless. Some links below. You might argue that the context around why these laws, for instance why there are specifically sentencing disparities written into law, doesn't matter because the plain text doesn't say black people shall have…

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Re: Bay Area cities want to end single-family home zoning

#365
post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you have nothing. "Marijuana" is not a law. Please point to a specific law that is racist, please link to the actual statutes/text.

Federal marijuana prohibition and the War on Drugs (yes including laws) is rooted in racial bias. There are a HUGE amount of sources and you aren't acting in good faith so this is pointless. Some links below. You might argue that the context around why these laws, for instance why there are specifically sentencing disparities written into law, doesn't matter because the plain text doesn't say black people shall have…

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Re: Bay Area cities want to end single-family home zoning

#366
post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you have nothing. "Marijuana" is not a law. Please point to a specific law that is racist, please link to the actual statutes/text.

Federal marijuana prohibition and the War on Drugs (yes including laws) is rooted in racial bias. There are a HUGE amount of sources and you aren't acting in good faith so this is pointless. Some links below. You might argue that the context around why these laws, for instance why there are specifically sentencing disparities written into law, doesn't matter because the plain text doesn't say black people shall have…

If you flag this, it's you admitting I'm right and you can't handle the truth and objective reality.

>Federal marijuana prohibition and the War on Drugs (yes including laws) is rooted in racial bias.

Somewhat of a myth, and at the end, the law is not biased or racist.

The Democratic party and gun control laws are also "rooted in racial bias". Is continuing gun control laws racist? Is the Democratic party racist?

>There are a HUGE amount of sources and you aren't acting in good faith so this is pointless. Some links below.

None of those links point to specific laws being racist whatsoever. One of you links literally agrees with me: "Athough there is no indication from case law and legislative history that Congress harbored a discriminatory intent when enacting the Anti-Drug Abuse Act"

>You might argue that the context around why these laws, for instance why there are specifically sentencing disparities written into law, doesn't matter because the plain text doesn't say black people shall have a 2x longer sentence. That's ignorant IMHO.

That's not ignorant, that's reality. They're not racist, your own source agreed with me. Meth also has 2x longer sentencing, is that a racist law targeting whites?

>Even so, racist laws were specifically written in plain text IN OUR CONSTITUTION spelling out black worth as only 3/5ths of white.

Are those laws still active? Oh, they're not? Cool, thanks for agreeing with me.

>Nixon's advisor has a 'great' quote plainly laying out the motivation and showing why context and the actual affects of these laws are racist.

These laws predate Nixon by decades. Stop moving goalposts and straw maning.

>you're being purposefully being flippant with a throwaway account so I'm not going to continue responding but go ahead and downvote again.

Translation: "I wasn't able to prove suburbs are racist, so I attempted to strawman and goalpost, but that failed, so I'm just going to take the leftists' exit and call you racist and leave."

Re: Bay Area cities want to end single-family home zoning

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post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grunge is not "early music". Bach is. ;) That said, yes, granted, Seattle deserves credit for grunge. But no, the Seattle Symphony is not a world-class orchestra. The SF Symphony is, though.

And yet, this is the first I’ve ever heard that SF has a symphony, despite the local classical music station being my standard station in the car. Maybe it’s not as world-class as you might think.

Maybe someone who has made money at classical music for 30 years knows a bit more than you about it.

I mean, do five minutes of research. At least Google it.

Also, if you think a random "classic" [sic] music station in your car teaches you anything significant about this topic, please do think again. Classical music radio station are almost universally awful.

Re: Bay Area cities want to end single-family home zoning

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post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grunge is not "early music". Bach is. ;) That said, yes, granted, Seattle deserves credit for grunge. But no, the Seattle Symphony is not a world-class orchestra. The SF Symphony is, though.

And yet, this is the first I’ve ever heard that SF has a symphony, despite the local classical music station being my standard station in the car. Maybe it’s not as world-class as you might think.

Ranked 13th in the world here:

https://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/article/the-world-s-gr...

Re: Bay Area cities want to end single-family home zoning

#369
post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grunge is not "early music". Bach is. ;) That said, yes, granted, Seattle deserves credit for grunge. But no, the Seattle Symphony is not a world-class orchestra. The SF Symphony is, though.

And yet, this is the first I’ve ever heard that SF has a symphony, despite the local classical music station being my standard station in the car. Maybe it’s not as world-class as you might think.

Ranked 13th in the world here also:

https://www.liveabout.com/worlds-best-orchestras-724384

Re: Bay Area cities want to end single-family home zoning

#370
post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grunge is not "early music". Bach is. ;) That said, yes, granted, Seattle deserves credit for grunge. But no, the Seattle Symphony is not a world-class orchestra. The SF Symphony is, though.

And yet, this is the first I’ve ever heard that SF has a symphony, despite the local classical music station being my standard station in the car. Maybe it’s not as world-class as you might think.

Really, seriously, anyone with even a passing familiarity with this subject knows this. And it's been the case for some time.
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