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Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by yibg »

db1234 wrote: post #135
Cederfjard wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t this just mean that you will have meddling from both the American executive and your government? Also I don’t think anyone has advocated that Twitter should break the law. But surely it’s fair game to discuss whether it’s a good one.

Between meddling from an American executive and Indian government, I would any day prefer Indian government. At least I have the power to vote out the government if I don't like its meddling.

But that isn’t the choice right? The choices here are meddling from just an American executive or from both an America executive AND Indian government.

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

OzyM wrote: post #2

"The IT rules, which became effective end-May, are aimed at regulating content on social media and making firms act more swiftly on legal requests to remove posts and sharing details on the originators of messages. They also require the appointment of certain new executives." The article makes this sound like a massive detriment to free speech. Companies removing content on their own platforms makes sense. However, g…

> The article makes this sound like a massive detriment to free speech. Companies removing content on their own platforms makes sense.

Strongly disagree. This is how China does it: they won’t tell companies what exactly to censor, but the companies will be punished if they don’t censor what the government wants to be censored in retrospect. It is much worse than governments forcing censorship explicitly, because otherwise companies are led to guess at government intentions and will be very conservative in what speech they allow.

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Post by thunkshift1 »

vishnugupta wrote: post #41

It is worth noting that the IT mister resigned[1] just a day back in a massive cabinet reshuffling (if you could call that). Twitter attracted the ruling government's wrath when it didn't censor/takedown Tweets supporting farmers' protests and those critical of government's handling of COVID's 2nd wave. [1] https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/breaking-ravi-shankar...

This is just FUD.. there has been no report whatsoever that the resignation was due to ongoing tussle with social media companies… do you have any sources explicitly stating that?

If not then please stop dumping random articles to support your viewpoint.

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by warkdarrior »

lugged wrote: post #175
OzyM wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So there's some popularity point where after people use a platform to talk enough times, the platform is no longer allowed to moderate the speech on it? Why? If I operate the world's biggest single-political-party discussion forum, is there a point where the forum is now legally compelled to host the other political party's opinions? (To be clear: I'm not saying that example is exactly analogous to Twitter, but I don…

> So there's some popularity point where after people use a platform to talk enough times, the platform is no longer allowed to moderate the speech on it? Why? Yes, see monopoly. Why? See tragedy of the commons. > If I operate the world's biggest single-political-party discussion forum, is there a point where the forum is now legally compelled to host the other political party's opinions? The point in which you becom…

> > So there's some popularity point where after people use a platform to talk enough times, the platform is no longer allowed to moderate the speech on it? Why?

> Yes, see monopoly.

It's not clear that a large platform is automatically a monopoly. For example, Twitter, Facebook, WeChat, and TikTok coexist.

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Post by naruvimama »

OzyM wrote: post #2

"The IT rules, which became effective end-May, are aimed at regulating content on social media and making firms act more swiftly on legal requests to remove posts and sharing details on the originators of messages. They also require the appointment of certain new executives." The article makes this sound like a massive detriment to free speech. Companies removing content on their own platforms makes sense. However, g…

"Controversial farm reforms" - nothing controversial about it, it is in the manifesto of every major party.

The problem is always with a small but powerful, adamant and ruthless minority that is ready to burn down the country to serve their interests.

Ultimately the elected government is the only true representative of the people.

Protests can be made to communicate your dissatisfaction and perhaps let the government know there is an alternate viewpoint.

However, the farmer protest was an orchestrated and violent bullying not only by those politically connected middlemen who want to maintain the status quo, but also a grand coalition of the corrupt, the compromised and enemies of India, including foreign actors.

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by mrd3v0 »

naruvimama wrote: post #185
OzyM wrote: post #2

"The IT rules, which became effective end-May, are aimed at regulating content on social media and making firms act more swiftly on legal requests to remove posts and sharing details on the originators of messages. They also require the appointment of certain new executives." The article makes this sound like a massive detriment to free speech. Companies removing content on their own platforms makes sense. However, g…

"Controversial farm reforms" - nothing controversial about it, it is in the manifesto of every major party. The problem is always with a small but powerful, adamant and ruthless minority that is ready to burn down the country to serve their interests. Ultimately the elected government is the only true representative of the people. Protests can be made to communicate your dissatisfaction and perhaps let the government…

The point is, people should be able to talk about it. Governments shouldn't decide for people what they can or can't talk about. Your opinion about the matter is one out of potential billions. They all equally deserve the same treatment by Twitter and the Indian government has no place dictating what kind of speech be posted on social media platforms.

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Post by news_user »

msravi wrote: post #180
OzyM wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, I disagree with (some of) platforms' content removal, but I don't disagree with their legal right to do so. If Twitter becomes a propaganda machine deleting any tweet it disagrees with, I think that's shitty and if I had an account I'd delete it to avoid participating, but I'm not sold on why the government should make that illegal . People and private organizations currently have the right to propagandize in…

> without explicitly calling for violent uprisings, etc So that's the problem in this context. Twitter WAS being used to call for a violent uprising in the name of a blatantly false non-existent "genocide": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27773994 To repeat, a farmer rammed a tractor into a barricade causing the tractor to overturn and was killed. The whole thing was clearly caught on camera[1][2]. Within minute…

Twitter did take down tweets and suspended accounts.

They were reinstated.

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Post by philliphaydon »

OzyM wrote: post #132
jaywalk wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So there's some popularity point where after people use a platform to talk enough times, the platform is no longer allowed to moderate the speech on it? Why? That's not quite what I said, but yes, kind of. No phone company is allowed to moderate the speech that goes over their network, for example.

Do you have an answer for my political-platform question? I feel like that'd help me understand where you're drawing the line here. As far as phone companies, my current understanding is that in the U.S., the government is involved in building and maintaining telecommunications infrastructure. Therefore it falls under the First Amendment. If you run your own wires between a lot of houses to let people talk to each ot…

With things like Discord or Slack, they aren't a public venue, there's no public thread that's readily available with curated content.

Slack and Discord have self moderating. You can create your own discord or slack server and kick/ban whoever you want.

Reddit relies on self moderating your own sub-reddits. If it didn't then sub reddits like /r/sino prob wouldn't exist. But you have to go and search/find sub reddits or navigate from click-bait titles on the homepage.

This is unlike Twitter where it's all public, people you follow who like things are thrown in front of you, and all misinformation, propaganda, violence, insults, whatever is shoved down your throat, and the public cannot determine what should and should not be allowed on there, its up to a private company who is looking to 1) Profit, and 2) Protect its own agenda.

It would be nice if we had a balance of platforms, but unfortunately we have 1 for each medium. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Tiktok, YouTube. Each of these have not 1 real competitor.

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Post by sdave »

jimsimmons wrote: post #156
screye wrote: post #50

Twitter is in an incredibly convoluted ideological war with the Indian Govt. Monetarily and by pure numbers, the Indian right wing benefited from a new megaphone in twitter in 2014. Twitter only took notice of this after what they saw as the victory of a 'fascist' govt. (This is before twitter erupted into complete ideological polarization in 2016) Looking at the readiness of getting blue check marks and twitter's ge…

Perhaps you should think of your tilt when you see ideology in fact checkers

you should too.

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Post by throwawaysea »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #182
OzyM wrote: post #2

"The IT rules, which became effective end-May, are aimed at regulating content on social media and making firms act more swiftly on legal requests to remove posts and sharing details on the originators of messages. They also require the appointment of certain new executives." The article makes this sound like a massive detriment to free speech. Companies removing content on their own platforms makes sense. However, g…

> The article makes this sound like a massive detriment to free speech. Companies removing content on their own platforms makes sense. Strongly disagree. This is how China does it: they won’t tell companies what exactly to censor, but the companies will be punished if they don’t censor what the government wants to be censored in retrospect. It is much worse than governments forcing censorship explicitly, because othe…

This is also how America does it, except it happens more subtly, and few recognize it, let alone call it out. It goes something like this:

“Hey tech companies, can you censor that app or these views? We’re soon going to be discussing anti-trust, taxation, privacy, right to repair, gig economy, and other topics in this session of Congress but first let’s discuss what you’re doing about our political adversaries on your platforms.”

More on this topic: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/how-silicon-valley-in-a-sho... https://greenwald.substack.com/p/congress-in-a-five-hour-hea...

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