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Post by ChrisLomont »

wccrawford wrote: post #218
ChrisLomont wrote: post #35

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>For instance, the Theory of Gravity. I know people who take it to be a law, You mean Newton's Law of gravity [1]? I'm not sure where you get the idea there are "theories" and "laws" in science and science moves things from one category to the other. The closest I can find is this distinction: "Scientific theories explain why something happens, whereas scientific law describes what happens." [2] By this description,…

https://ncse.ngo/gravity-its-only-theory

Satire isn't making your case.

What exactly is this link demonstrating?

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Post by fragmede »

elif wrote: post #214
jasonhansel wrote: post #166

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> you're now obligated to prove that your product works And that's a bad thing?

See marijuana if you believe regulators will actually listen to a preponderance of evidence. FDA/pharma executives are a revolving door, and therefore concerned chiefly with the health of pharma rather than humans.

There are (AFAIK) 3 cannabis derived products that the FDA has approved. Given the large cost required to get a new patentable drug through the FDA, it doesn't come as a surprise that no one's willing to foot that bill.

What the DEA (a totally different governmental organization with different motivations and biases) thinks about marijuana is reprehensible, however.

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Post by stereoradonc »

afavour wrote: post #76
lemonberry wrote: post #34

My father has COPD from over 50 years of smoking. I convinced him to switch to vaping and he's been using a Juul for a few years now. Awhile after the switch his primary care physician listened to his lungs and said they sounded a lot better. She said she because the science isn't in "I can't tell you to vape but I can tell you to keep doing what you're doing". Should non-smokers pick up vaping? Probably not. But in…

I think if Juul was marketed as a smoking cessation product I’d have no problem with it. But it’s marketed as a lifestyle product and a ton of young people with no history of smoking have started vaping as a result.

I completely agree with it. Vaping for young adults (that's the technical term for that) is a stepping stone for making the switch to cigarettes easier.

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Post by kazinator »

stereoradonc wrote: post #363
afavour wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if Juul was marketed as a smoking cessation product I’d have no problem with it. But it’s marketed as a lifestyle product and a ton of young people with no history of smoking have started vaping as a result.

I completely agree with it. Vaping for young adults (that's the technical term for that) is a stepping stone for making the switch to cigarettes easier.

Easier than what?

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Post by michaelmrose »

pope_meat wrote: post #308
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #239

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> fear mongering about children juuling. Why is that fear-mongering? My anecdotal evidence is that it's rampant with teens. Do you have any stats that are not anecdotal so I can educate myself?

It was rampant with teens, but then we "fixed" things. They went back to cigarettes. Mission accomplished I guess.

Cigarettes are hard to covertly hit at school/home. They leave the person with a very distinctive stink. They are hard to buy online and damn near impossible for a minor to buy in person. With only 13% of adults smoking they aren't available to be swiped in most households and taxes in many places make those who do smoke liable to notice them walking out the door. Many places its about $10 a pack.

Furthermore it is much more socially unacceptable and awareness of the harms of cigarettes has never been higher.

Insofar as teens if eciggs were to become as hard to get as heroin tomorrow nicotine addition of teens all cause would be liable to decrease because your mom is absolutely going to know your smoking actual ciggs and have something to say in the matter.

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Post by hyper0perator »

afavour wrote: post #76
lemonberry wrote: post #34

My father has COPD from over 50 years of smoking. I convinced him to switch to vaping and he's been using a Juul for a few years now. Awhile after the switch his primary care physician listened to his lungs and said they sounded a lot better. She said she because the science isn't in "I can't tell you to vape but I can tell you to keep doing what you're doing". Should non-smokers pick up vaping? Probably not. But in…

I think if Juul was marketed as a smoking cessation product I’d have no problem with it. But it’s marketed as a lifestyle product and a ton of young people with no history of smoking have started vaping as a result.

I agree. If alcohol were marketed for heart disease reduction, I'd have no problem with it. But it's marketed as a lifestyle product and a ton of young people with no history of drinking have started as a result.

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Post by hyper0perator »

ReGenGen wrote: post #360
TeMPOraL wrote: post #113

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But it's not a smoking cessation product. It can be used effectively as such, but it's first and foremost a healthier substitute to smoking. People like to go to both extremes wrt. vaping - "but it creates new addicts" vs. "but it's effective tool for breaking addiction", forgetting about the biggest benefit vaping brings: letting smokers who don't want to quit to keep smoking, without risking lung cancer. I'm defini…

Its easy to forget that heart-disease kills as many smokers as Cancer. Vaping is still ingesting mystery compounds & heavy metals directly into the blood stream for the body's immune system to freak out on. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/heal... https://www.jhsph.edu/news/news-releases/2018/study-lead-and...

This is why all fast food needs to be heavily regulated by FDA and only available via prescription to limit abuse.

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Post by prepend »

bmj wrote: post #333
prepend wrote: post #299

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It’s not the addiction that causes lung cancer, it’s the smoke. So the goal of stopping smoking should have positive health outcomes.

My understanding is that the proverbial jury is still out on whether vaping truly is less harmful to the lungs that smoking[0][1]. That would mean that vaping (instead of smoking) isn't necessarily a positive health outcome. [0] https://newsinhealth.nih.gov/2020/05/risks-vaping [1] https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-preventi...

It’s definitely a positive outcome when it comes to cancer prevention. The evidence is quite clear that vaping is way better than smoking for lung cancer. [0][1]

I think the evidence is out as to what, if any, are the harms of vaping. But it’s not arguable that it’s better for you than smoking.

[0] https://www.newscientist.com/article/2120440-switching-from-...

[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28778971/

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Post by smolder »

hwayne wrote: post #226
smolder wrote: post #61

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I think the argument they are referring to is the one that because there were tasty flavors, the products were targeting youth... as if adults do not enjoy tasty flavors. That's one way regulators rationalized bans on vaping products. No one is making similar arguments to ban tasty liquor. I haven't ruled out that they were trying to target youth with their products, but having nice juice flavors is the furthest thin…

Juul's advertising was specifically targeted at teens: https://www.vox.com/2019/1/25/18194953/vape-juul-e-cigarette... (Referenced paper: http://tobacco.stanford.edu/tobacco_main/publications/JUUL_M... ) Juul bought ads on socialstudiesforkids, dailydressupagames, and collegeconfidential: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/12/health/juul-vaping-lawsui...

Thank you for informing!
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