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Re: List of Special Elevator Modes

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Post by skissane » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 10:14 PM UTC

leephillips wrote: post #65

Kalium wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you believe in an omniscient and omnipotent lawgiver, that line of argument is a little weak.

Where did you get the idea that the Hebrew God is supposed to be omniscient and omnipotent? I am told that biblical Hebrew does not even have a word for omnipotent.

Orthodox Jews accept Rambam (Maimonides)'s 13 principles of the faith. Rambam taught that all his 13 principles can be derived from the Torah.

The 10th principle explicitly says that God is omniscient. The 1st principle "Belief in the existence of the Creator, who is perfect in every manner of existence and is the Primary Cause of all that exists" doesn't explicitly mention omnipotence but rather obviously entails it. (If God is not omnipotent, then God is not "perfect in every manner of existence" since God would not be perfect in power.)

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/332555/jewish...

Whether or not the ancient Hebrews believed in divine omniscience and omnipotence is something that can be historically debated. But contemporary Orthodox Jews do.

(I'm not Jewish but I hope I've stated the Orthodox Jewish viewpoint accurately.)

Re: List of Special Elevator Modes

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Post by heikkilevanto » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 10:15 PM UTC

dbcurtis wrote: post #43

dmurray wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd expect it to be more of a problem having multiple pet owners in the same car.

Well you have dog-phobic or people with allergies for neighbors.

Yes, I have a slight allergy for most of my neighbors :-)

Re: List of Special Elevator Modes

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Post by thrdbndndn » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 10:17 PM UTC

el_nahual wrote: post #90

hawk_ wrote: post #6

my personal favorite is the Sabbath mode https://elevation.fandom.com/wiki/Sabbath_service_(SHO) not to pick on a specific belief system, but it's quite interesting the lengths people go to follow the letter but not the spirit of things.

There are a few sibling comments explain this by saying that, since the law is divine, so are the loopholes. That doesn't tell the whole story. A big chunk of judaism has always centered about cultural preservation. In a way, the careful crafting of ridiculous loopholes is a stronger indicator about caring that the law exists --ie, presereving the culture-- than blindly following it. And so it's allowed and celebrate…

With all respect, what you said makes zero sense to me.

I don't see how "caring that the law exists" equals to "preserving the culture" (at least not see it in a good way), or how it's not "blindly following it".

Re: List of Special Elevator Modes

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Post by ethbr0 » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 10:20 PM UTC

fortran77 wrote: post #16

dinkleberg wrote: post #8

Maybe this is common knowledge, but I never knew people used fandom for topics like this. I’m amazed that it had 800+ articles and over 1000 videos on a wiki dedicated to elevators.

There are many "elevator spotters" on YouTube. I can watch elevator videos for hours. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE9x-S_3sdY It's a very interesting community: See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz9ZzIgyDR8

Seems as good a place as any to OT, but does anyone know of a vacuum tube wiki?

I may have acquired some Otis elevator power(?) tubes, but have no idea where to go for part schematics or identification. I'd love to build them into a project, but am not sure where to start.

Re: List of Special Elevator Modes

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Post by bellyfullofbac » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 10:21 PM UTC

moduspol wrote: post #79

michaelhoffman wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The prohibition is on doing work generally, with a specific prohibition on kindling a fire, which was quite a lot of work millennia ago. Does using a device that allows you to avoid walking up many flights of stairs really violate the spirit of a law prohibiting work on the sabbath?

And for that matter, where is the line drawn? The other workaround I had heard for this is to have a non-Jew hired specifically to stand in the elevator and push buttons on behalf of Jews on the sabbath. But they'd still have to speak the floor so the attendant would know what button to push, right? If so, what if an elevator had basic voice recognition? Speaking the floor number to a machine is no more work than spe…

If speaking isn't allowed, a hack* would be for the elevator to start counting, and tell the passenger to nod or lift their head up after their floor number is mentioned. Or even just walk to the activation corner.

* I asked Yahweh, he said this is legal.

Re: List of Special Elevator Modes

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Post by trhway » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 10:23 PM UTC

"pet mode" reminded about my cat many years ago - we lived on the 5th floor of an apartment building, and going outside the cat would walk the stairs down, yet coming back the cat would sit near elevator on the ground floor until somebody would come to use the elevator and everybody knew that "the white cat rides to the 5th floor" so they would let him out there.

Re: List of Special Elevator Modes

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Post by Akronymus » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 10:24 PM UTC

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #54

mmazing wrote: post #2

I recall hearing of a mode one time where elevators would only go to the 2nd floor and not the 1st. Something for crime, etc. Maybe it was from a movie or something ... Edit : Thanks! Found it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elevator#Riot_mode

So only going 0 to 2 and that’s it? Not sure I understand the use case.

1st floor, for many people, refers to the ground floor.

Basically, it excludes the ground level/publicly accessible floor, like a hotel lobby.

Re: List of Special Elevator Modes

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Post by leephillips » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 10:26 PM UTC

skissane wrote: post #91

leephillips wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did you get the idea that the Hebrew God is supposed to be omniscient and omnipotent? I am told that biblical Hebrew does not even have a word for omnipotent.

Orthodox Jews accept Rambam (Maimonides)'s 13 principles of the faith. Rambam taught that all his 13 principles can be derived from the Torah. The 10th principle explicitly says that God is omniscient. The 1st principle "Belief in the existence of the Creator, who is perfect in every manner of existence and is the Primary Cause of all that exists" doesn't explicitly mention omnipotence but rather obviously entails it…

Thanks for pointing this out. I encountered the claim recently that the concept of divine omnipotence was invented by Catholic theologians. maybe in the early middle ages, and does not quite exist in Judaism. But you’re pretty convincing.

Re: List of Special Elevator Modes

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Post by grensley » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 10:29 PM UTC

My favorite interview question is "how do elevators work"?

0. If they immediately blurt out something like "I know how elevators work", probably don't hire them.

1. You can find out what areas they're most interested in. Do they jump straight to the physical mechanics? The programming? The UI? The abstraction that they're solving a problem?

2. Eventually, they reach a point where they just have to say "I don't know". The rabbit hole really just keeps going with elevators. You could know this question is coming and we will still easily reach the knowledge boundary.

3. If they "don't know" you can ask them to guess how a system might work. Or give them time to research it and follow up with you later.

Re: List of Special Elevator Modes

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Post by derefr » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 10:35 PM UTC

golemiprague wrote: post #85

derefr wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this stems from the notion that the Jewish legal rules are of divine origin, and so if something was excluded, then its absence is intentional I would like to understand the reasoning behind the belief that even legal rules of divine origin would include mention of things human culture would have had no concept of, and human language no word for, in the time the rule was made — such that the rules would be "complet…

In Jewish monotheism god is beyond time and space, probably because the concept of God tries to encompass the infinity of the universe in time and space and the lack of understanding of those things, us being humans. Therefore when we ascribe some will to god, specifically the will for humans to follow all those rules, we believe that this god "exists" in every time and every space, past present or future. That's why…

Oh, I do get that; I'm more asking why a timeless god wouldn't tell the Jews 4000 years ago to e.g. not construct or partake of social-networking apps (and other such things where they'd have no idea what their God was on about.) An intercessor god dreamed up today would certainly give commandments like that; so why wouldn't a god giving commandments 4000 years ago, but who "exists outside of time", do the same?