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Re: Machine Learning Fairy Dust

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What makes me really nervous is that we're nearing the point when Google's Prediction API and its knock-offs will increasingly pervade web sites much in the way that AJAX and other technologies have. While overuse of AJAX and the Facebook "Like" button is extremely annoying, it's still pretty harmless. Machine learning, on the other hand, isn't innocuous. In order to use the Prediction API, you need a large corpus of…

If you act on the internet like you would in real life, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. How is getting relevant ads a bad thing?

Couple years back, I spent a few weeks looking through different jewelry sites for a necklace for my girlfriend.

During this time, I let my girlfriend borrow my laptop one night. Each site that she visited was riddled with ads for engagement rings.

Next thing I know, she's giving me the twenty questions about why I'm looking at engagement rings.

Some things need to be kept private even if they are benign.

Re: Machine Learning Fairy Dust

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you act on the internet like you would in real life, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. How is getting relevant ads a bad thing?

Couple years back, I spent a few weeks looking through different jewelry sites for a necklace for my girlfriend. During this time, I let my girlfriend borrow my laptop one night. Each site that she visited was riddled with ads for engagement rings. Next thing I know, she's giving me the twenty questions about why I'm looking at engagement rings. Some things need to be kept private even if they are benign.

So, did you get engaged :)?

Re: Machine Learning Fairy Dust

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I think 'machine learning' is so complex that people just don't feel like trying to explain it. That, or their business secrets are tied up in it, and they don't want to give away the golden goose.

I think 'machine learning' is so complex that people just don't feel like trying to explain it.

I think it is very simple(outside of the secret sauce part) to people who know it, so they don't feel the need to explain it. People who haven't sat down and thought about it see it as magical.

As an example(lifted from Programming Collaborative Intelligence by Segaran ) say you want to recommend movies to people. You have them rate movies. Then you take people in pairs and compare movies they have both rated to produce a distance between those two people. When you want to recommend a movie to Joe, you take the people who are closest to Joe and then find a movie that they rate highly that Joe has not rated, and suggest that to Joe. The secret sauce is in coming up with the distance function.

Re: Machine Learning Fairy Dust

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you act on the internet like you would in real life, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. How is getting relevant ads a bad thing?

Couple years back, I spent a few weeks looking through different jewelry sites for a necklace for my girlfriend. During this time, I let my girlfriend borrow my laptop one night. Each site that she visited was riddled with ads for engagement rings. Next thing I know, she's giving me the twenty questions about why I'm looking at engagement rings. Some things need to be kept private even if they are benign.

oh shit. You make a good point sir.

Re: Machine Learning Fairy Dust

#25
post #15

What makes me really nervous is that we're nearing the point when Google's Prediction API and its knock-offs will increasingly pervade web sites much in the way that AJAX and other technologies have. While overuse of AJAX and the Facebook "Like" button is extremely annoying, it's still pretty harmless. Machine learning, on the other hand, isn't innocuous. In order to use the Prediction API, you need a large corpus of…

> Banner advertisements will be replaced with much more terrifying 'targeted' ads

Can someone please explain to me why ads for stuff I might actually be willing to buy (as opposed to hyper-annoying junk thrown at me every day) terrify so many people?

Not that I am ambivalent to privacy issues; just playing devil's advocate here.

Re: Machine Learning Fairy Dust

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you act on the internet like you would in real life, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. How is getting relevant ads a bad thing?

Couple years back, I spent a few weeks looking through different jewelry sites for a necklace for my girlfriend. During this time, I let my girlfriend borrow my laptop one night. Each site that she visited was riddled with ads for engagement rings. Next thing I know, she's giving me the twenty questions about why I'm looking at engagement rings. Some things need to be kept private even if they are benign.

That's why the FSM gave us private browsing modes

Re: Machine Learning Fairy Dust

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post #15

What makes me really nervous is that we're nearing the point when Google's Prediction API and its knock-offs will increasingly pervade web sites much in the way that AJAX and other technologies have. While overuse of AJAX and the Facebook "Like" button is extremely annoying, it's still pretty harmless. Machine learning, on the other hand, isn't innocuous. In order to use the Prediction API, you need a large corpus of…

> Banner advertisements will be replaced with much more terrifying 'targeted' ads Can someone please explain to me why ads for stuff I might actually be willing to buy (as opposed to hyper-annoying junk thrown at me every day) terrify so many people? Not that I am ambivalent to privacy issues; just playing devil's advocate here.

I think it's the feeling that someone is watching them. We know it's just computers, data, and statistics, but if you didn't understand that, I imagine it would be a bit scarier.

Re: Machine Learning Fairy Dust

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post #15

What makes me really nervous is that we're nearing the point when Google's Prediction API and its knock-offs will increasingly pervade web sites much in the way that AJAX and other technologies have. While overuse of AJAX and the Facebook "Like" button is extremely annoying, it's still pretty harmless. Machine learning, on the other hand, isn't innocuous. In order to use the Prediction API, you need a large corpus of…

> Banner advertisements will be replaced with much more terrifying 'targeted' ads Can someone please explain to me why ads for stuff I might actually be willing to buy (as opposed to hyper-annoying junk thrown at me every day) terrify so many people? Not that I am ambivalent to privacy issues; just playing devil's advocate here.

First, everyone assumed that no one knew knew about anything they did on the net. They thought that when they looked at an oven mitt in an online store, only they knew about it. The truth was that information was just unused by the store, and so the user never saw it.

Gradually, this notion became slowly dispelled when stores actually started leveraging this information to provide, for example, suggestions. It's all fine and good here.

Finally came targeted ads. The part that people find terrifying is when the suggestions are "following them around!". This is creepy in multiple aspects:

The first is that people don't quite understand how this happens (of course, we do). How is this information showing up in different websites? Did the store just let these other sites handle my information? In their eyes, the boundaries for who is allowed to my personal information seem to blur. This also breaks the paradigm of location that the user has in their mind. "If I don't go to site X that is, I won't see anything about site X." It looks like everyone knows everything.

The second is that it's creepy-through-analogy. The fact that it's going wherever you're going and nagging you constantly is weird. When I walk into a retail store, I'm usually asked if I want any help, and I decline politely. If, however, the salesperson keeps approaching me and trying to sell me things that I don't want, I get the fuck out. With targeted ads, the average user can't do that! The creepy sales guy is following you out to the street and into your home. This usually ends in extreme frustration.

Finally, there are also some nuances that targeted ads miss. Targeted adds are actually not that targeted, they're just there to grab at the "low hanging fruit" customers that are on the verge of making a decision. Just because I looked at a dildo once because I thought it was funny doesn't mean I want to be bombarded with the world's finest penis emulators for the next 3 days.

Re: Machine Learning Fairy Dust

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Banner advertisements will be replaced with much more terrifying 'targeted' ads Can someone please explain to me why ads for stuff I might actually be willing to buy (as opposed to hyper-annoying junk thrown at me every day) terrify so many people? Not that I am ambivalent to privacy issues; just playing devil's advocate here.

First, everyone assumed that no one knew knew about anything they did on the net. They thought that when they looked at an oven mitt in an online store, only they knew about it. The truth was that information was just unused by the store, and so the user never saw it. Gradually, this notion became slowly dispelled when stores actually started leveraging this information to provide, for example, suggestions. It's all…

Thanks for taking time to respond. I agree on some points with you, disagree on others, but it's nice to get a long thought-out response!

Re: Machine Learning Fairy Dust

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Banner advertisements will be replaced with much more terrifying 'targeted' ads Can someone please explain to me why ads for stuff I might actually be willing to buy (as opposed to hyper-annoying junk thrown at me every day) terrify so many people? Not that I am ambivalent to privacy issues; just playing devil's advocate here.

First, everyone assumed that no one knew knew about anything they did on the net. They thought that when they looked at an oven mitt in an online store, only they knew about it. The truth was that information was just unused by the store, and so the user never saw it. Gradually, this notion became slowly dispelled when stores actually started leveraging this information to provide, for example, suggestions. It's all…

So use, ad block and/or incognito mode. Problem solved. And don't say that most people don't know how to use these features. While true anyone, who is concerned about this is totally free to ask other people or even pay them to explain and solve the problem for them. The fact that they don't suggests to me that they don't care. Most of the whining about privacy is more the poster being upset that not enough other people are concerned in the same way the poster is.
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