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Steve Wozniak speaks on Right to Repair [video]

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Re: Steve Wozniak speaks on Right to Repair [video]

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Post by deregulateMed »

arriu wrote: post #13
Envec83 wrote: post #2

Am I the only believing it should be a free market, where each company follows the strategy it prefers? Let the market decide if repairability is desired or not. If customers really want it, certainly there will be companies offering it. Much better to have millions voting with their money and purchases than a few bureaucrats deciding how they believe things should be.

So if we go off of Woz's example, you would have preferred it if bell was allowed to say what kind of phone you were allowed to have and that the "few bureaucrats" should not have stepped in to allow other manufacturers to build phones. People could not have voted with their wallet because there was no alternative. We're approaching the same type of problem with tech giants. People just want to ensure that components…

Bell got lots of government money to grow.

It's like if Apple grew because of government intervention. Oh wait...

Re: Steve Wozniak speaks on Right to Repair [video]

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Post by omgwtfbbq »

iseethroughbs wrote: post #100

We know what Wozniak would say, as he's a tinkerer from a time when computers were "human-sized" and able to be tinkered with. I think realistically the only thing we can demand is user-replaceable battery. Everything else is doomed to end up on a single chip integrated. And that chip either works, or doesn't. It's not about profit, it's about integration and miniaturization.

This sounds like Apple apologism. Repair shops certainly have the capability to fix these devices but are hampered by actively Apple who would obviously prefer you go through them for repairs which are nearly as expensive as buying a new phone which is the whole point.

Re: Steve Wozniak speaks on Right to Repair [video]

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Post by omgwtfbbq »

htk wrote: post #94
Popegaf wrote: post #87

Looking at the responses against Mr Wozniak, if they are primarily from Americans, makes me raise an eyebrow. The impression of the country that I get from abroad is one of an insistence on "freedom" and "liberty". In this issue though, owning devices that limit your freedom and liberty in regards to repair is actually fought for. Is the issue being framed incorrectly by the "right to repair" movement? Or are "freedo…

Freedom and Liberty are also valid in the Markets. Companies are free to create devices the way they believe is best, and customers are free to buy from the companies they choose.

And they should be free to repair objects which the own. This legislature would obviously increase freedom and you seem to be parroting Anti-Repair Lobbyist talking points

Re: Steve Wozniak speaks on Right to Repair [video]

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Post by QuarterReptile »

iratewizard wrote: post #85
gfxgirl wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

same as Mac vs Windows today. Cheapest Mac Laptop $999. Cheapest Windows laptop $199, $299? https://www.amazon.com/Laptops-Under-500-Computers-Tablets/s... posted from a mac

Windows does manufacture a few laptops, but most are not Windows machines. They are machines that choose to license Windows for the OS component.

Microsoft would be the manufacturer.

Re: Steve Wozniak speaks on Right to Repair [video]

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Post by passivate »

Envec83 wrote: post #2

Am I the only believing it should be a free market, where each company follows the strategy it prefers? Let the market decide if repairability is desired or not. If customers really want it, certainly there will be companies offering it. Much better to have millions voting with their money and purchases than a few bureaucrats deciding how they believe things should be.

Some billionaire doesn't get to release products that harm the environment just so they can line their pockets. What a company has the "right" to do - is something that we the people decide. We don't want to promote glued together "single-use" products that generate more e-waste and harm the environment. If you take away the politics, the vast majority of people would align with sustainable development goals.

Re: Steve Wozniak speaks on Right to Repair [video]

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Post by mensetmanusman »

chrisseaton wrote: post #61
vbezhenar wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My anecdote: I bought Dell Latitude and there are instructions how to disassemble the entire laptop on the Dell website. I did not see circuit schematics, though I'm not skilled enough to make any use of it, but it's something at least. I easily upgraded RAM and installed SSD. That was one of the factors of choosing this specific laptop for me, I wonder how many people consider it. I had terrible experience with Appl…

But then you have to have a laptop that looks and feels and works like a Dell Latitude. That fixability has a cost in ugliness and weight and usability. No thanks.

The no thanks attitude might be at odds with a healthier environment. It’s like the tragedy of the commons.

Re: Steve Wozniak speaks on Right to Repair [video]

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Post by dwild »

Envec83 wrote: post #2

Am I the only believing it should be a free market, where each company follows the strategy it prefers? Let the market decide if repairability is desired or not. If customers really want it, certainly there will be companies offering it. Much better to have millions voting with their money and purchases than a few bureaucrats deciding how they believe things should be.

> If customers really want it, certainly there will be companies offering it.

There is customers that really want it and there's companies that offer it.

The big issue is that reparability is an afterthought, you only consider it once you need it and at that point, it's already too late. It's also a rare event, thus again something easy to forget.

That's all forgetting the environment impact of replacing a whole unit instead of defective parts. We sadly are far from being able to make companies responsible for the waste their product cause. This would at least make sure less waste is going out.

The craziest is that many right to repair cause aren't about forcing companies to do anything, many are just to allow people to repair their device. You simply can't repair a John Deere tractor without a license, which is just absurd.

Re: Steve Wozniak speaks on Right to Repair [video]

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Post by chrisseaton »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #107
chrisseaton wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But then you have to have a laptop that looks and feels and works like a Dell Latitude. That fixability has a cost in ugliness and weight and usability. No thanks.

The no thanks attitude might be at odds with a healthier environment. It’s like the tragedy of the commons.

Making components user replaceable rather than soldered in requires more connectors so more waste.

Re: Steve Wozniak speaks on Right to Repair [video]

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Post by passivate »

Dracophoenix wrote: post #79
overscore wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Environmental and consumer rights regulations are also compatible with a free market.

No they are not. Patents are incentives. You can weigh the benefits or lack thereof and chooses to opt-in or opt-out. Regulations are a government-created burden. You can't opt out of a regulation.

If you don't pollute the rivers, then you can avoid the "regulatory burden". If you don't serve food that contains poison, then you can avoid the "regulatory burden". If you don't sell cars whose brakes fail then you can completely avoid this "regulatory burden". If you're not a predatory lender then you can avoid this "regulatory burden".
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