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>I quite like the taste and mouth feel of the smoke but the nicotine itself is a bust. Perhaps a very mild caffeine-esque feeling at a push? It hasn't proven addictive as it's been sat out in my car untouched for the past four days! As someone who stupidly started smoking later in life, that's pretty much how it goes. Nicotine addiction isn't like on TV where you smoke a cigarette or puff a vape and suddenly you're h…

If that's the case, I'll ditch the nicotine juices and enjoy the zero nic ones on a rare occasion then. The smoke/flavor part is amusing, but as a drug, I'm not seeing the appeal. Sugar or caffeine has a more noticeable effect.

I'm only speaking from my own personal experience. Everyone's different, bit i definitely found nicotine to be a slow building thing. I never found it all that great. Like you say, it's not much different than a cup of coffee or something, maybe not even as strong and that's almost why you don't tend to notice when it becomes a habit. It's really subtle.

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Is it accurate to say you quit smoking when you've really just switched the device that delivers the substance you're addicted to?

100% accurate, he didn't say he wanted to quit being addicted to nicotine. He wanted to quit smoking, which he has done.

You haven't really overcome your main addiction in that case though. I don't think that people colloquially interpret that as "quitting smoking" when that term gets used in this context, even if the meaning is literal.

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1. GP said "trying to get rid of cigarettes," implying it was not a completed effort. 2. It was (and is) a fairly successful effort: https://news.gallup.com/poll/1717/tobacco-smoking.aspx https://www.statista.com/chart/20385/cigarette-sales-in-the-...

In full, he said "trying to get rid of cigarettes and it worked", implying that it was a completed effort, imo.

alright, I can see how the sentence could be read that way.

Re: Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal

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100% accurate, he didn't say he wanted to quit being addicted to nicotine. He wanted to quit smoking, which he has done.

You haven't really overcome your main addiction in that case though. I don't think that people colloquially interpret that as "quitting smoking" when that term gets used in this context, even if the meaning is literal.

I think people have mixed definitions, but I really think smokers just want to avoid the lung cancer and emphysema. It's not my place to judge them as failures because they don't meet my criteria of not being addicted to nicotine.

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I think if Juul was marketed as a smoking cessation product I’d have no problem with it. But it’s marketed as a lifestyle product and a ton of young people with no history of smoking have started vaping as a result.

Fun fact, if you claim to be a smoking cessation product you get the FDA at your door going "oh, so this is a medical product" and you're now obligated to prove that your product works as a medical cessation product, and requires a doctor's note to pick up. You can't market yourself as a smoking cessation product without getting the hounds of hell being unleashed on you by the regulators.

> requires a doctor's note to pick up.

I don’t think this is true. I can buy Nicolette all over the place without a doctors note. In the US at least.

Re: Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal

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My father has COPD from over 50 years of smoking. I convinced him to switch to vaping and he's been using a Juul for a few years now. Awhile after the switch his primary care physician listened to his lungs and said they sounded a lot better. She said she because the science isn't in "I can't tell you to vape but I can tell you to keep doing what you're doing". Should non-smokers pick up vaping? Probably not. But in…

I think if Juul was marketed as a smoking cessation product I’d have no problem with it. But it’s marketed as a lifestyle product and a ton of young people with no history of smoking have started vaping as a result.

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100% accurate, he didn't say he wanted to quit being addicted to nicotine. He wanted to quit smoking, which he has done.

You haven't really overcome your main addiction in that case though. I don't think that people colloquially interpret that as "quitting smoking" when that term gets used in this context, even if the meaning is literal.

But is that the _point_? I think many people are pretty much okay with being addicted to nicotine if it's not going to kill them.

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Yes, it is a smoking cessation product. It helps you cease smoking. Vaping is not smoking.

Ok, so it's a smoking cessation product if you take the definition strictly - but it doesn't do anything to get you off your nicotine addiction, which people usually mean by "smoking cessation product"...

All the smokers I know want to quit smoking, not nicotine.. Smoking is 99% of the problem with cigarettes, and nicotine is 1%.

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100% accurate, he didn't say he wanted to quit being addicted to nicotine. He wanted to quit smoking, which he has done.

You haven't really overcome your main addiction in that case though. I don't think that people colloquially interpret that as "quitting smoking" when that term gets used in this context, even if the meaning is literal.

It’s not the addiction that causes lung cancer, it’s the smoke. So the goal of stopping smoking should have positive health outcomes.

Re: Juul bought an entire issue of a scholarly journal

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100% accurate, he didn't say he wanted to quit being addicted to nicotine. He wanted to quit smoking, which he has done.

You haven't really overcome your main addiction in that case though. I don't think that people colloquially interpret that as "quitting smoking" when that term gets used in this context, even if the meaning is literal.

Nicotine is great, I would be incapable of functioning in society without it, and if the US Government makes it impossible for me to get a nicotine fix without giving myself cancer I will be tempted to turn to direct action.
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