Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules • Hacker News Board

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by syshum » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 4:03 PM UTC

jonahx wrote: post #28

gruez wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They also require the appointment of certain new executives Ah so just like china? >Now a wide range of foreign companies in China, from the cosmetics giant L’Oréal to Walt Disney and Dow Chemicals, all have party committees and display the hammer and sickle on their premises. In 2017, Reuters published an article that quoted executives from one European company saying that party representatives had demanded to be b…

> L’Oréal to Walt Disney and Dow Chemicals... display the hammer and sickle on their premises. Wow. Quoted just so others don't miss this. It was news to me.

Globalism is a race to the bottom when it comes to Individual freedom.

The actions of these companies in these Authoritarian nations proves that despite many claiming otherwise

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by ConcernedCoder » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 4:04 PM UTC

rishav_sharan wrote: post #26

xNeil wrote: post #18

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The hashtags insinuated the government was planning a farmer genocide. Source: https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/govt-se...

How is that a threat to India's sovereignty or security? Modi is infamous for having caused, by his actions or inactions, the Gujarat riots that killed 2000+ people. Hell, he was even banned from entering the US, till he became the Indian PM. There is blood on his hands and lots of it. And to give some context on this hash tag, I believe it came after the gov't put across barricades and barbed wires to caroll the pro…

because now it will be harder to do the actual genocide without someone saying "hey, see! I told you so..."

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by pjc50 » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 4:10 PM UTC

jonahx wrote: post #28

gruez wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They also require the appointment of certain new executives Ah so just like china? >Now a wide range of foreign companies in China, from the cosmetics giant L’Oréal to Walt Disney and Dow Chemicals, all have party committees and display the hammer and sickle on their premises. In 2017, Reuters published an article that quoted executives from one European company saying that party representatives had demanded to be b…

> L’Oréal to Walt Disney and Dow Chemicals... display the hammer and sickle on their premises. Wow. Quoted just so others don't miss this. It was news to me.

This is darkly funny; of course their loyalty is to money rather than any ideology. They'll be Communists if there's money in it. After all, this enhances shareholder value for the shareholders in the US, and isn't that the one and only thing that matters to a modern company? There's no risk to the bosses and shareholders of being expropriated.

Well, unless Dow's local operations get seized ..

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by pjc50 » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 4:13 PM UTC

mullen wrote: post #10

vowelless wrote: post #3

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The benefit is complying with local laws. Not all countries have “first amendment style free speech”. Note the speech restrictions in the Indian constitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_expression_in_India The farmers protests were allegedly detrimental to the sovereignty and security of India and so it makes sense to ban those kinds of hastags. FWIW, the American government also requests removals from…

> FWIW, the American government also requests removals from social media sites. No, they don't. Any American Government official requesting a removal of anything from social media sites would probably lose their job. That's saying a lot because American Government officials rarely ever lose their jobs.

> Any American Government official requesting a removal of anything from social media sites would probably lose their job

You missed FOSTA/SESTA then? That forced the removal of anything that even looks vaguely like sex work from social media.

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by msravi » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 4:14 PM UTC

OzyM wrote: post #2

"The IT rules, which became effective end-May, are aimed at regulating content on social media and making firms act more swiftly on legal requests to remove posts and sharing details on the originators of messages. They also require the appointment of certain new executives." The article makes this sound like a massive detriment to free speech. Companies removing content on their own platforms makes sense. However, g…

> That plus forcing the company to hire government-approved executives

Where did you get that from? Completely untrue.

The new IT rules mandate the appointment of persons in certain executive roles, and companies, including Twitter, have the freedom to choose whomsoever they please, as long as he/she is an Indian resident - they don't have to be "government approved"

Twitter didn't want to have a responsible officer in India. The managing director of Twitter India said he was only responsible for "marketing" and did not have control over the day-to-day functioning of the company.

> controversial hash tag related to farmer protests

It wasn't just a controversial hashtag. A farmer sped a tractor into a barricade causing the tractor to overturn and was killed. The whole thing was clearly caught on camera[1][2]. Within minutes there were blatantly false tweets flying around saying that police had fired on the farmers and there was a genocide in progress (with an associated hashtag). Twitter refused to take down such blatantly false and deliberately incendiary tweets.

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1. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-natio...

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgSLaOMEzHY

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by codeecan » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 4:14 PM UTC

mullen wrote: post #10

vowelless wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The benefit is complying with local laws. Not all countries have “first amendment style free speech”. Note the speech restrictions in the Indian constitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_expression_in_India The farmers protests were allegedly detrimental to the sovereignty and security of India and so it makes sense to ban those kinds of hastags. FWIW, the American government also requests removals from…

> FWIW, the American government also requests removals from social media sites. No, they don't. Any American Government official requesting a removal of anything from social media sites would probably lose their job. That's saying a lot because American Government officials rarely ever lose their jobs.

Then why is Pelosi still employed? https://sputniknews.com/world/202002081078259986-facebook-tw...

Twitter declined this time, but I have a hard time believing the Democrats had no hand in twitter blocking the Biden laptop story or removing Trump from the platform

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by natoliniak » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 4:17 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #33

jonahx wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> L’Oréal to Walt Disney and Dow Chemicals... display the hammer and sickle on their premises. Wow. Quoted just so others don't miss this. It was news to me.

This is darkly funny; of course their loyalty is to money rather than any ideology. They'll be Communists if there's money in it. After all, this enhances shareholder value for the shareholders in the US, and isn't that the one and only thing that matters to a modern company? There's no risk to the bosses and shareholders of being expropriated. Well, unless Dow's local operations get seized ..

> Well, unless Dow's local operations get seized

I think Lenin once said: The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.

yep.

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by pjc50 » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 4:19 PM UTC

xxpor wrote: post #21

OzyM wrote: post #7

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Super interesting Wikipedia article, thanks for the link! Some of the restrictions on free speech make me instinctually uncomfortable (i.e. restrictions for the sake of "decency and morality"), but I recognize these are hardly unique to India and countries such as the U.S. have censored plenty of books, etc. in the past. I'm not sure that I personally am in favor. However, you're clearly right in that it's hardly unp…

>countries such as the U.S. have censored plenty of books, etc. in the past. The modern interpretation of the 1st amendment as being fairly absolute is only 50-100 years old. Don't forget the federal government had political prisoners for protesting against the US getting involved in WW 1, and the HUAC and McCarthy hearings were blatantly unconstitutional under modern jurisprudence. We don't even need to talk about t…

Or the Comstock acts. At one point it was illegal to distribute information on contraception. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comstock_laws#State_laws_on_bi....

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by throwawaysea » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 4:23 PM UTC

mullen wrote: post #10

vowelless wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The benefit is complying with local laws. Not all countries have “first amendment style free speech”. Note the speech restrictions in the Indian constitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_expression_in_India The farmers protests were allegedly detrimental to the sovereignty and security of India and so it makes sense to ban those kinds of hastags. FWIW, the American government also requests removals from…

> FWIW, the American government also requests removals from social media sites. No, they don't. Any American Government official requesting a removal of anything from social media sites would probably lose their job. That's saying a lot because American Government officials rarely ever lose their jobs.

You mean like when AOC asked Google and Apple to ban Parler and they complied?

Re: Twitter begins hiring to comply with India’s new rules

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Post by nsenifty » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 4:28 PM UTC

rishav_sharan wrote: post #26

xNeil wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hashtags insinuated the government was planning a farmer genocide. Source: https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/govt-se...

How is that a threat to India's sovereignty or security? Modi is infamous for having caused, by his actions or inactions, the Gujarat riots that killed 2000+ people. Hell, he was even banned from entering the US, till he became the Indian PM. There is blood on his hands and lots of it. And to give some context on this hash tag, I believe it came after the gov't put across barricades and barbed wires to caroll the pro…

> The situation in the first week of Feb was very tense.

Wasn't it partly due to the genocide misinformation? One protestor died in a tractor accident and Twitter did little to curb the misinformation that he was shot by police.