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Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by robotnikman »

ghaff wrote: post #83
dilap wrote: post #41

Andrew Kelley of Zig also moved away from YouTube because of forced ads ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjz6xNO63mI ) YouTube is an amazing collection of knowledge, but it's unfortunate that it's in the hands of an entity whose primary goal and motivation is avarice. A degradation of the experience over time seems inevitable. How to organize human endeavors in a way that captures the innovation and superbly focused…

Consumers need to be able and willing to pay money rather than renting their eyeballs. (And creators need to be willing to pay for hosting/discovery.) If YouTube could make more money as a gated subscription site that charged for uploads and, say, $100/year to access, they'd be more than happy to do so.

I remember way when youtube first started they had a premium subscription option which allowed you to upload longer and higher quality videos. If you didnt have a subscription you were limited to 10 minutes per video

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Post by Crash0v3rid3 »

MikusR wrote: post #103
denimnerd42 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see a lot of negative about YT premium online but I've been using it for years.. I don't know how you can use the YT app on mobile without it.

https://vancedapp.com/

How about we stop pushing these alternatives that ensure creators never get paid?

It’s hard work to make content, many channels are run full time. I know people hate ads, and if that’s the case, just pay for Premium.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by doublejay1999 »

ikiris wrote: post #101
doublejay1999 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is the shittiest take. does youtube expect him to keep giving them content free forever ? without contributing to his production costs ?

Which do you think costs more? I can tell you the marginal value for most all content is basically zero. The hosting costs aren't.

it obviously costs more to produce content than it does to host and stream it.

That's why you watch a show costing 10 millions dollars per episode, for 10 bucks a month.

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Post by elwell »

dilap wrote: post #41

Andrew Kelley of Zig also moved away from YouTube because of forced ads ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjz6xNO63mI ) YouTube is an amazing collection of knowledge, but it's unfortunate that it's in the hands of an entity whose primary goal and motivation is avarice. A degradation of the experience over time seems inevitable. How to organize human endeavors in a way that captures the innovation and superbly focused…

Can you add advertiser-unfriendly content to your video to avoid YouTube forcing ads?

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Post by Xelbair »

ghaff wrote: post #83
dilap wrote: post #41

Andrew Kelley of Zig also moved away from YouTube because of forced ads ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjz6xNO63mI ) YouTube is an amazing collection of knowledge, but it's unfortunate that it's in the hands of an entity whose primary goal and motivation is avarice. A degradation of the experience over time seems inevitable. How to organize human endeavors in a way that captures the innovation and superbly focused…

Consumers need to be able and willing to pay money rather than renting their eyeballs. (And creators need to be willing to pay for hosting/discovery.) If YouTube could make more money as a gated subscription site that charged for uploads and, say, $100/year to access, they'd be more than happy to do so.

The people who are willing to pay for such subscription are the most valuable to advertisers.

They will offer way more money than you can offer for the service.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by Crash0v3rid3 »

rchaud wrote: post #88
TheChaplain wrote: post #48

I understand and a sympathize with his opinion, at the same time the platform must be financed somehow, no? Yeah I know Google are rich but still, from a technical standpoint YT is pretty damn good. I've never had any issues watching videos or streaming, and instantly served in EU, Asia and the US. For that and the massive selection of content I'd say it's worth it for me.

Yes, the platform must be financed somehow. However, that 'somehow' didn't seem to be an issue for 15 years. A video series about parametric 2d/3d CAD is not going to do Logan Paul numbers, so what merit is there to jam ads into it anyway?

> However, that 'somehow' didn't seem to be an issue for 15 years.

It has absolutely been an issue. If you listen in on the earnings call, shareholders have been asking for YouTube revenue for years. Google has to show it can be a profitable business.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by fouric »

ghaff wrote: post #105
fouric wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't buy this argument, for a couple of reasons. First, for large classes of media, the energy required to consume the media is much larger than the mental cost of even an explicit microtransaction - e.g. the energy required to decide whether or not I want to pay 10c to watch a 10 minute educational video is dwarfed by the energy spent watching the video itself, and probably comparable to the cost of watching 10 s…

>People want it to be free. I'm not sure we're even disagreeing. Of course, people want things to be free as the default condition. Which is what sets up the mental transaction cost when something isn't free. And we see this in all sorts of settings. It's quite well established that there's a bigger gulf between free and really cheap than there is between really cheap and just cheap.

You're right, on further inspection, we may not be disagreeing.

To clarify: I'm arguing against the idea of people not liking the mental transaction costs being the primary reason why microtransactions haven't been adopted (which is the point that I thought that you were making). I agree that the monetary costs themselves are the primary reason.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by jazzyjackson »

ikiris wrote: post #101
doublejay1999 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is the shittiest take. does youtube expect him to keep giving them content free forever ? without contributing to his production costs ?

Which do you think costs more? I can tell you the marginal value for most all content is basically zero. The hosting costs aren't.

What about the marginal cost to host a channel that gets < 1000 views per year?

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by m0llusk »

ghaff wrote: post #83
dilap wrote: post #41

Andrew Kelley of Zig also moved away from YouTube because of forced ads ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjz6xNO63mI ) YouTube is an amazing collection of knowledge, but it's unfortunate that it's in the hands of an entity whose primary goal and motivation is avarice. A degradation of the experience over time seems inevitable. How to organize human endeavors in a way that captures the innovation and superbly focused…

Consumers need to be able and willing to pay money rather than renting their eyeballs. (And creators need to be willing to pay for hosting/discovery.) If YouTube could make more money as a gated subscription site that charged for uploads and, say, $100/year to access, they'd be more than happy to do so.

There are lots of ways to make money with content that do not involve charging for copies. One of the most popular and promising is the pay to release model where a preview may be free but the product is only released in full once enough money has been spent on it. This a more flexible approach that does not lock producers into a particular price structure or production schedule. Now that copies no longer have significant cost or barriers it is necessary to move away from making exchange of copies the primary point of revenue generation.
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