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Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by wintermutestwin »

duxup wrote: post #7

I wonder at what point we as internet users will decide that we're willing to pay for services in order to maintain more control? In the meantime I sympathize with folks who in a way have ground rules changed on them, but then again were using a free service where they were the product... The internet is a weird place where we demand everything be free as just a baseline rule, and then complain when the product that…

I would pay a sub for YouTube due to the value provided if they, in turn, paid me for the data they have stolen from me. Of course, if I get to name my price in this "free market," they would be paying me far more than they could reasonably charge for YT. And really, why would I want to give money to an abusive company?

I keep hearing this lament that everyone just wants stuff for free. I think it is a distraction from the current wild west where these surveillance companies are the ones getting high value data for petty baubles.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by jonpurdy »

fabianhjr wrote: post #23

I use IPFS and host my media (mainly photography) on my domain. (With cloudflare as a IPFS gateway in case a visitor doesn't use IPFS) Hosting cost: $0. Some details: https://fabian.social/posts/2020-11-07-ipfs-blogging.html Example: https://fabian.social/photography/2021-01-15-incidentes-vial...

I’ve briefly tried hosting with IPFS in the past and always found it to be super slow/not working at all.

If one has a super low traffic site and is already hosting themselves (whether on a home computer or VPS), what’s the benefit of IPFS? My understanding is that if a file isn’t popular, it’ll be served by your own IPFS node/pulled from your local web server, which seems redundant to me.

(I totally get the use case for popular files; it’s awesome for that!)

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by eropple »

api wrote: post #46
weinzierl wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue the risk aspect is what prevents more people from self-hosting than the actual cost. At least it is for me: The idea of waking up to a bill of a few thousand dollars is chilling. And then there is also this conflict of objectives: With an ad-supported platform more popularity means more money, with self-hosting more popularity is less money. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

Self-host at places like OVH or Hetzner that bill by pipe bandwidth rather than gigabytes transferred. Your site may get slow if it gets a hug of death but you won't get a stupid high bill. You can also get 2-4X the compute and RAM for pennies (comparatively). If you are using AWS, Google, Oracle, or Azure and are just using VMs, you are getting horribly ripped off. There is absolutely zero advantage to using these f…

> Self-host at places like OVH that bill by pipe bandwidth rather than gigabytes transferred. Your site may get slow if it gets a hug of death but you won't get a stupid high bill.

If your primary concern is cost consciousness, and when your failure case is "get slow and fall over" and you're OK with that, this makes sense. For the OP, who doesn't seem to have a profit motive, I think this is good advice.

The caveat I would add is that a lot of folks try to extrapolate from personal stuff into the small-business (opposing "startup" -- that is, not swimming in VC money) realm, and it's easy to staple your hand to your face when looking at video in that way. Balancing cost controls against quality of service is kinda pretty hard for video because engagement is tied in pretty tightly to time-to-first-frame and to consistency of the video stream coming down, and even a well-provisioned set of boxes in an OVH datacenter somewhere are going to have more trouble with latency as well as bandwidth to geographically distributed clients. Yeah, you can fix this...by building your own CDN out of multiple points of presence at multiple data centers, but there are economies of scale to just paying your local friendly CDN overlords to ship your stuff from their POPs. Not all video usage is directly tied to revenue, though, which is why I characterize it as risk: the particulars of your venture may be such that the risk of higher costs due to sudden popularity is worth the quality of service during the 99.9% period for your users who aren't local to your point of presence. But there are no hard-and-fast rules here.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by duxup »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #71
duxup wrote: post #7

I wonder at what point we as internet users will decide that we're willing to pay for services in order to maintain more control? In the meantime I sympathize with folks who in a way have ground rules changed on them, but then again were using a free service where they were the product... The internet is a weird place where we demand everything be free as just a baseline rule, and then complain when the product that…

I would pay a sub for YouTube due to the value provided if they, in turn, paid me for the data they have stolen from me. Of course, if I get to name my price in this "free market," they would be paying me far more than they could reasonably charge for YT. And really, why would I want to give money to an abusive company? I keep hearing this lament that everyone just wants stuff for free. I think it is a distraction fr…

> these surveillance companies are the ones getting high value data for petty baubles

Because we give it to them.

The end user's choices matter here.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by Jyaif »

deadalus wrote: post #37

Youtube Alternatives : Centralized : Dailymotion, Bitchute, Rumble, DTube, Vimeo, Vidlii Decentralized : Odysee(LBRY), Peertube

In my experience Vimeo is great, while Dailymotion is absolute garbage: the streaming itself stutters at low quality and the amount of unskippable super long ads is insane.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by bluescrn »

Filligree wrote: post #44
abacadaba wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the main holdup i think is truly effortless and secure, private, and widely accepted micropayments. there's plenty of stuff i'd be willing to pay for if it didn't involve creating yet another account and giving them my credit card info.

There once was such a system —Google Contributor. It was supposed to be expanded into a full micropayment system once there was a baseline market activity to set the prices by, using the price of ads to bootstrap. It didn’t work, obviously, but mostly because people just don’t want to pay. Not even if a typical cost is single digit dollars per month, or less.

Nobody has managed micropayments that are actually micro. Even F2P games rarely allow you to spend less than about $1 at a time - it's all about chasing whales who'll spend $99.99 repeatedly...

In the case of something like YouTube, they'd want vastly more (and as a monthly subscription) to remove the ads than they'd earn from an average user watching the ads.

The alternative might have been a 'watch without ads' button, allowing a truly small transaction (a few cents) to watch a specific video without ads.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by stickfigure »

duxup wrote: post #7

I wonder at what point we as internet users will decide that we're willing to pay for services in order to maintain more control? In the meantime I sympathize with folks who in a way have ground rules changed on them, but then again were using a free service where they were the product... The internet is a weird place where we demand everything be free as just a baseline rule, and then complain when the product that…

> I wonder at what point we as internet users will decide that we're willing to pay for services in order to maintain more control?

You mean like this? https://www.youtube.com/premium

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by briefcomment »

izacus wrote: post #40
input_sh wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mentioned in the first minute here: https://peertube.linuxrocks.online/videos/watch/6b779810-671... He had no intention to ever monetise the channel, but with YouTube's ToS update he had to agree that YouTube can monetise his channel even if he doesn't want it to. Considering he's basically forced to serve ads he has no control over and he does not earn a cent from it, I'd say "lost sovereignty" holds true.

Was his expectation that YouTube would cover his hosting, encoding and bandwidth costs for free forever? I wonder what his backup plan is and where will he host the videos now. (It's still kind of wierd that YouTube doesn't support simply paying for their hosting.)

One possibility would be for YouTube to take a larger cut from content creators that do monetize, and the leave the unmonetized content alone.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by crazygringo »

phkahler wrote: post #66
crazygringo wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does he expect for a site that serves his videos for free , not to mention recommends them to people as well to get a wider audience? "Sovereignty" is a bizarre word here. It's a business deal . Nobody's ever "sovereign" in any exchange, it's either a good deal or not. If he wants to pay for hosting himself, then go ahead, but no need to act like it's a question of "sovereignty". Nobody's a king here.

>> What does he expect for a site that serves his videos for free, not to mention recommends them to people as well to get a wider audience? Lets turn that around. YouTube is a huge content provider that has 100 percent of their content provided FOR FREE and they feel that they can "monetize" it any way they see fit. There needs to be some balance. If enough people leave like this, there will be a credible competitor…

> that has 100 percent of their content provided FOR FREE

Not true. Creators can get paid for their video views and some make a living at it. Some of the content Google doesn't pay anything for, but tons of it (and most of the popular stuff) Google pays for on a per-view basis. It's not free to Google.

> There needs to be some balance.

That already is the balance, Google paying creators for the popular content.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by EugeneG »

doublejay1999 wrote: post #58
izacus wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was his expectation that YouTube would cover his hosting, encoding and bandwidth costs for free forever? I wonder what his backup plan is and where will he host the videos now. (It's still kind of wierd that YouTube doesn't support simply paying for their hosting.)

this is the shittiest take. does youtube expect him to keep giving them content free forever ? without contributing to his production costs ?

They don’t expect that. They create an incentive structure to attract creators they want at the price they want and are ok I assume if others choose to not work with them. It’s not like YouTube called him and said “hey what the heck man, why did you stop uploading?”
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