Earlier quoted context omitted.
The dust bowl heatwaves are not a good argument against the idea that human activity can have dramatic climate impacts in a short time, though.
It is, however, a good argument against this article.
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Re: US-Canada heatwave 'virtually impossible' without warming
#22Not only is it possible but the worst heat waves on record were experienced in the 1930s: https://www.weather.gov/arx/heat_jul36
> In their study, the team of researchers says that the deadly heatwave was a one-in-a-1,000-year event. Did you find a flaw in the researchers' reasoning? Or do you have knowledge they do not?
... orignal source and link to the study: https://www.worldweatherattribution.org/western-north-americ...
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#23I'm starting to think that governments and people will be unable to fight CO2 emissions for several reasons:
* Reducing living standards is counter intuitive when consumerism is the norm, in France the Yellow Vests movement showed that it's very difficult to tax carbon if it punish poor people. Inequality and carbon emissions are deeply intertwined.
* People will just consume, feel guilty, maybe take some individual "steps", but there is too much behavior inertia and dependency. Nothing changes because everybody feels responsible and thus feel unable to protest since it would be hypocritical to do so.
* Companies will keep causing emissions unless those companies disappear
A french think tank called "Shift Project" is writing a public plan, hoping to attract attention during the 2022 presidential elections.
It looks like that any real step would result in additional precarity and poverty, which makes it very difficult to act for other political reasons.
Sometimes I think that convincing conservatives of taking action, disregarding inequality, would actually be good enough, considering the situation.
I'm part of the poorest 20% in my country, and honestly I'd rather have more poverty and solve climate change. It's a price I'm willing to pay.
Re: US-Canada heatwave 'virtually impossible' without warming
#24Not only is it possible but the worst heat waves on record were experienced in the 1930s: https://www.weather.gov/arx/heat_jul36
The dust bowl heatwaves are not a good argument against the idea that human activity can have dramatic climate impacts in a short time, though.
I don't the parent is attacking global warming. The headline doesn't lineup with past temp records. Is there something in a dust bowl heatwave that could help explain why it is virtually impossible when it clearly isn't?
When something like global warming become a religion any comment perceived as attacking itself no matter how innocent and truthful will bring out zealots looking to defend their faith. I think we should keep religion out of science.
Re: US-Canada heatwave 'virtually impossible' without warming
#25Not only is it possible but the worst heat waves on record were experienced in the 1930s: https://www.weather.gov/arx/heat_jul36
Those highs are 105-110 in the Great Plains … seems substantially cooler than 125F in Canada.
Look at the temperature records in Canada.
Of the 13 provinces and territories, 9 of the 13 records were set in the 1930's or earlier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extreme_temperatures_i...
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#27They have picture of Lytton that was destroyed by fire. Did anyone notice that the trees that were close to burnt houses still have green leaves? I know nothing about subject but it feels a bit strange how the leaves can survive when the houses are burning in such close proximity.
At least in California wildfires, houses often burn down from random hot embers landing on the roof, not necessarily a giant whoosh of flames engulfing everything. Could be the same here.
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#28We're not going to solve climate change because no amount of evidence will convince people to act less selfishly. The human race isn't going to save this planet and we're not going to leave the planet either. The best outcome I can think of for the future is a managed decline where hopefully too many people don't die in the coming climate-caused geopolitical instability and resource wars.
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#29It is interesting tone of this article, even now scientist are struggling to convince wide public and policy makers, that global warming is real. Outcry of desperation. I see in that parallel with Covid pandemic:
- "not it is not real"
- "it is just a flu like any other"
- "all things will be ok"
- "oh sh* it is real"
- "f** it is real"
- "we are screwed run for your lives"
- "..."
- "no we have not said it is not real, we ..."
Point being, just shut the fork up and listen scientist in the first place not wasting time. By the way when down vote could you at least comment :D
Edit: Sorry for misunderstanding now I see multiple ways how what I said may come out wrong. Dialog was meant to be voice of non-believers. Global warming science is settled and it is real and may be a threat for all life on planet. What I find strange is struggle smart people need go through to convince people without knowledge that what they say is truth. Like frustration person with vision (scientist) would experience trying to convince blind person about the look of the reality. It is not about knowledge it is about trust. And in this case it seems oil money was blinding factor for many for very long time.
Re: US-Canada heatwave 'virtually impossible' without warming
#30They have picture of Lytton that was destroyed by fire. Did anyone notice that the trees that were close to burnt houses still have green leaves? I know nothing about subject but it feels a bit strange how the leaves can survive when the houses are burning in such close proximity.
There's better pictures and video here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-wildfires...
Sounds like a fire started in town and spread to everything flammable, as opposed to the town being engulfed in a forest fire. Trees may not have been dry enough to catch fire.