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More than 30 states sue Google over 'extravagant' fees in Play store

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Re: More than 30 states sue Google over 'extravagant' fees in Play store

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An unrelated note. Please feel free to downvote. If the states decided to sue pharmaceutical companies for extravagant profits on life saving medicines, people would benefit a lot more. May be there a political motive behind Google being targeted.

Why not both? This is a false dichotomy.

Because they have limited resources and can't sue everyone.

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#82
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I'm really hoping someone wakes up and realizes the problem is not the fees but that consumers don't know about them. Let the consumer be informed about Google and Apple's rake on all their in-app charges. The outrage will take care of the rest. Not sure about Google, but Apple has deliberately prohibited developers from itemizing the 30% fee for consumers. That simple rule is what keeps their money pipe flowing. Mar…

Oh really? Tell me how did outrage over Youtube ads fixed it so far? or, outrage against Facebook?

Re: More than 30 states sue Google over 'extravagant' fees in Play store

#83
post #9

I'm really hoping someone wakes up and realizes the problem is not the fees but that consumers don't know about them. Let the consumer be informed about Google and Apple's rake on all their in-app charges. The outrage will take care of the rest. Not sure about Google, but Apple has deliberately prohibited developers from itemizing the 30% fee for consumers. That simple rule is what keeps their money pipe flowing. Mar…

You're not even allowed to tell people about the fee on a page soliciting donations. Google and Apple are a monopoly. We need antitrust.

Re: More than 30 states sue Google over 'extravagant' fees in Play store

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post #49

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Really? What's their average commission? Pareto distribution says it's going to be a lot closer to 30% than 15%.

Depends on what you're counting. Very few apps in the Apple store are charged 30% but they're the ones that bring in most of the revenue. Therefore, the average app is charged 15% but the average app transaction is charged 30%. https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/18/21572302/apple-app-store...

The average app with near zero or zero transactions wouldn't be affected very much if the fee was 30% or 0%. In terms of antitrust what matters is the transactions.

Re: More than 30 states sue Google over 'extravagant' fees in Play store

#85

This is the kind of thing that makes me confident CEOs, etc. are over paid by a ton. How good of a job are you doing if everyone hates your brand so much that a ton of governments are suing you? How valuable was all that JiT manufacturing bullshit that’s going to cost the car companies $100 billion this year. How good is the leadership that’s taken the brand image of companies that used to be respected (ex: GE applia…

> How good of a job are you doing if everyone hates your brand People love Google. It's only behind Apple as a brand people love. > How valuable was all that JiT manufacturing bullshit It's not BS. It's saying 99% uptime is good enough, and the cost of 99.8% isn't worth the added inventory. It may or may not be the right call, but for automakers who make a durable product that isn't as critical in an emergency as N95…

> People love Google. It's only behind Apple as a brand people love.

Stepping back: what is the definition of "love" here, and do you have some data to back this up? I think you might be conflating brand awareness with brand loyalty or "brand love", because while Google is basically in the English lexicon for searching on a search engine now an it has a really high brand awareness I don't think I've ever heard people say they "love" Google or anything along those lines, while I have heard sentiments like this for an Apple product.

Re: More than 30 states sue Google over 'extravagant' fees in Play store

#86
post #66

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The key is that Wallmart does not prohibit your product from listing its wholesale price on the label. A clause like that should be illegal.

Listing wholesale prices on the product is vanishingly rare, possibly nonexistent. I wouldn't be surprised if it infuriated retailers to the point that they refused to stock your product. Printing MSRP on the product happens all the time. Arizona Iced Tea is a prominent example.

Rarity of example os irrelevant. Producers have no need for that, because IRL stores generally do not have 50% markup on mass produce.

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#87
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The key is that Wallmart does not prohibit your product from listing its wholesale price on the label. A clause like that should be illegal.

> Wallmart does not prohibit your product from listing its wholesale price on the label. Are you sure that they don't? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Walmart does have clear policies around prices of any kind being printed on packaging. And it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that if they have a policy, it would disallow printing of any price which is less than the highest price Walmart intend to charge at retail…

Unless you can show such a policy, it is reasonable to assume it does not exist. I surely have no way to prove otherwise short of finding complete list of all policies. A good indication is that neither of us heard about it so far.

Re: More than 30 states sue Google over 'extravagant' fees in Play store

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The prices aren't invisible to the companies putting the app on the Google store. In principle they could try and use a different store with lower fees and reduce their prices for the same margins couldn't they?

They mean for the average app purchaser: $0.70 - App $0.30 - Apple Fee $1.00 - Total And I agree. The reason it’s obfuscated is because people would instantly realize it’s bad value.

Reality -- nobody cares. The consumer is paying $1 in that scenario no matter what. If the Apple fee goes away, then the developer is going to keep the price at $1.

Re: More than 30 states sue Google over 'extravagant' fees in Play store

#89
post #37

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I tend to agree that most people wouldn't care about Google's cut. The only way to bring the fee down is to create more 'stores' where developers can sell their apps. Then the margin will completely collapse from 30% to near 0.

You're assuming that if Apple and Google forcibly lost the ability to profit off app sales through the stores, they would continue to offer access to their commercially licensed software development platforms for free. If Google and Apple are forced to give away what they used to sell, they will simply change the mechanism by which they extract payment and developers will need to prepare for e.g. licence fees to acce…

My prediction is that Apple will lower their fee to 5% at some point. However, using ANY of their IP will cost 25% of your revenue. Want to access Healthkit? ARKit? Etc.. 25% of revenue from both the app and in-app purchases.

Re: More than 30 states sue Google over 'extravagant' fees in Play store

#90

Isn't the obvious question, why Google and not Apple? Or maybe, why not Google AND Apple?

It looks to me like there's a couple of things. Many of the claims are similar to the Epic vs Apple case. Perhaps they figure Epic already did the work there?

Second, many of these claims have nothing to do with what Apple does. They are more similar to the old Microsoft case. Trying to stop competition, forcing OEM's to not have their own App store, etc...

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