Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger • Hacker News Board

Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by jolmg » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 8:54 PM UTC

Ygg2 wrote: post #21

DevKoala wrote: post #9

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I think that they don’t trust the maintainer. However 4chan raids like this are often run by third parties that can benefit from attributing this type of behavior to “anonymous” individuals. I wouldn’t be surprised if the people who bullied this individual had the goal of getting the original independent fork abandoned while also getting the new fork cancelled on the grounds of hate speech all along. I visit 4chan an…

Damn, that's some sci-fi level shittery. Reminds me of something I watched - where a person created an impromptu hacker persona, to expose a corporation corruption. Then that hacker pseudonym was reused by other corporate actors to cause PR nightmares for each other.

Sounds like GitS:SAC[1] season one. Person is Aoi, created The Laughing Man, an impromptu hacker persona, to expose that micromachine corporations were hiding the fact that expensive micromachine treatments were ineffective against Cyberbrain Sclerosis and that an inexpensive vaccine called Murai existed that was effective. The Laughing Man persona was then used by various corporations to profit in various ways.

Or were you thinking of something else with a similar plot?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell:_Stand_Alon...

Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by E39M5S62 » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

throwaway9389 wrote: post #82

Solnezio wrote: post #73

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what? Just use a different username and change the email you use in the commits to the github email (@users.noreply.github.com)... (should be "git config --global user.email 12345+foobar@users.noreply.github.com")

Sure, like another comment said though it is easy to mess up and reveal your identity for all commits in one swoop. I know there is GitMask [1] but it's not open source or decentralized. https://www.gitmask.com/

It looks like it's open source to me - https://github.com/AnalogJ/gitmask

Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by philpem » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 11:19 PM UTC

db48x wrote: post #20

ohazi wrote: post #3

I say this as someone who has used Audacity and Musescore for years, and who has been subscribed to Tantacrul's Youtube channel since before he got involved with Musescore because I thought his UI/UX rants were hilariously good. I've been trying to follow this story as closely as I could manage, but even I don't understand what the fuck is going on anymore.

They are hilariously good. No matter what else happens, those videos are worth watching.

They may have been funny when they were released - but his relentless shilling for muse has made it very clear what the purpose of them was. Dunk on the competition, to big up Muse and his own profile.

They're (IMHO) unwatchable when you follow the money trail and realise what they are, and always were: thinly veiled shills.

Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by db48x » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 1:31 AM UTC

philpem wrote: post #123

db48x wrote: post #20

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They are hilariously good. No matter what else happens, those videos are worth watching.

They may have been funny when they were released - but his relentless shilling for muse has made it very clear what the purpose of them was. Dunk on the competition, to big up Muse and his own profile. They're (IMHO) unwatchable when you follow the money trail and realise what they are, and always were: thinly veiled shills.

Even if that was true (and you have no evidence of it), nothing he said in those videos was wrong. And his video about MuseScore was not very complimentary; he called it a “dog’s dinner”.

But to address the wider point, the same complaint could be made about anything anyone ever wrote anything for money. Since some works written for money have lasting merit, the mere fact that something was written for money should not count against it.

Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by numpad0 » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 2:48 AM UTC

deathlight wrote: post #118

numpad0 wrote: post #80

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Is there the wall of shame/hall of fame pages for 4chan-related doxxing incidents? Are those greentexts the only content they share? In 2000s there used to be external wikis for ops done in a local BBS in my country, and those used to summarize timelines and key informations that led to development. They were probably doing for their own fun but were also useful for defending side.

There was a young teen girl who was bullied into killing herself which she did by drinking bleach (a quite horrific way to die). I don't remember how much of a hand the 4channers had in the actual bullying but after her death she was relentlessly mocked and made into a snide and pitiless meme that has thankfully died out by now. There has been a long slew of young girls (and some boys) who have been tricked into send…

What I am saying is, where are the postmortem, timeline, “data pack”, summarized thread logs, written by offenders as events occur?

Like “04/01 15:00 target posts a picture[link, deleted] location[link] verified from vegetation, angle of sun and buildings in background. 19:34 A member discovers that face in reflection matches photo[link] taken by target’s acquaintance A”.

From logs like that, defensive sides can learn that you shouldn’t upload a picture with features that can be correlated from satellite imagery, that you generally should not upload your friend’s face, that you should also check reflections before uploading, that it’ll take few hours to analyze a photo, etc. (btw these are why I don’t do Fb/Ig or TikTok — it goes against every fucking best practices I had accumulated)

Or maybe this could be a new business idea…

Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 1:49 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #35

owlbynight wrote: post #10

There need to be harsh, harsh penalties for showing up uninvited to someone's house based on something that's happened or been said on the Internet. This is little kid shit and they either need to learn or have their toys taken away so they can't keep doing it.

Why does the internet make this magic? There's plenty of real world harrasment that goes on every single day. Usually relationship related. People get killed over it. Often after making a long series of calls to the police. Besides, on this forum you'll have plenty of people arguing that abuse is just speech and it's wrong to ban people from organizing harassment on the internet. I don't agree, but that's the wellspr…

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Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by modulusshift » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 4:55 PM UTC

philpem wrote: post #123

db48x wrote: post #20

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They are hilariously good. No matter what else happens, those videos are worth watching.

They may have been funny when they were released - but his relentless shilling for muse has made it very clear what the purpose of them was. Dunk on the competition, to big up Muse and his own profile. They're (IMHO) unwatchable when you follow the money trail and realise what they are, and always were: thinly veiled shills.

He made the Sibelius one before he'd ever used MuseScore, did the MuseScore one before Dorico/Finale because of popular demand even though he'd never used MuseScore before that, and then eventually got hired onto the MuseScore team because of the strength of his critique, and proceeded to lead the effort to fix all of the issues he brought up in that video. He made the Dorico video no more than a couple months after joining the MuseScore team, and a couple months before becoming Product Manager there. The Finale video seems unlikely to come out now, honestly.

So, only the Dorico video is even possible to be a shill. Also, oh my goodness if he made YouTube videos to raise his personal profile, as opposed to all the other YouTubers who make videos anonymously?!?

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Post by areeh » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 6:58 PM UTC

edly wrote: post #112

emerged wrote: post #84

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Seriously I don’t know how people fail to realize they feed off this type of response. It’s like trying to fight a vampire by throwing your blood at them.

If you have suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Your logic is living proof that we still don't take the very real harm 4chan can do seriously. We laughed at "POOL'S CLOSED" and cheered with Operation Payback because it was fun, but now that 4chan is long dead and what remains is this. If you want examples other than 4chan, look around. The state of several first-world countries (you probably live in one of them) is t…

The grandparent they are agreeing with: "They are trying to get on his nerves, he should go to the police and stop seething on the internet cause he's giving them plenty of what they really want." seems to suggest trying to make repercussions happen without feeding a harasser with reactions. That doesn't seem to be ignoring the threat, just trying to deal with it more effectively.

Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by Ygg2 » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 9:36 AM UTC

jolmg wrote: post #121

Ygg2 wrote: post #21

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Damn, that's some sci-fi level shittery. Reminds me of something I watched - where a person created an impromptu hacker persona, to expose a corporation corruption. Then that hacker pseudonym was reused by other corporate actors to cause PR nightmares for each other.

Sounds like GitS:SAC[1] season one. Person is Aoi, created The Laughing Man, an impromptu hacker persona, to expose that micromachine corporations were hiding the fact that expensive micromachine treatments were ineffective against Cyberbrain Sclerosis and that an inexpensive vaccine called Murai existed that was effective. The Laughing Man persona was then used by various corporations to profit in various ways. Or w…

Yeah, that's it.

Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by newbie789 » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 5:05 PM UTC

immibis wrote: post #98

newbie789 wrote: post #22

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I would strongly advise against tweeting your home address as some sort of experiment.

Obvious follow-up: do you think it's illegal to tweet your home address plus or minus 5 houses?

What? I think that’s also a bad idea. I didn’t mean “advise” in the sense of “I’m a lawyer giving you free advice” I meant it more as “that sounds like a bad idea to me, some random person who isn’t a lawyer”