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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by godelski » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 8:16 PM UTC

AussieWog93 wrote: post #125

SN76477 wrote: post #55

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I never understand to what end. Is it simply power? What is the point of it? You cannot crime or human behavior to misbehave. I wonder how long it will be until China's citizens start to crack under the pressure.

>Is it simply power? What is the point of it? You can read my post history; I'm anything but a Chinese Nationalist and Xi lover. Still, I don't think this law is crazy. It clearly serves a purpose of protecting children from harm. The enforcement is creepy, but as a law I don't see it as any different to the laws about parents supplying alcohol to minors in Australia.

I don't know, I don't think putting cameras in minors' rooms is going to keep them safe. That just screams exploitation to me. Either Tencent is hacked, Tencent accidentally gathers those images, or someone hacks the cameras because now you have millions of people that leave their cameras facing them at all times. None of those are a great situation and the likelihood of each of those happening isn't low.

This is without even getting into a discussion about government monitoring citizens through cameras in their homes. That is quite literally the premise of 1984. Well I should take that back, the premise was the gov could watch you at any time, not that they actively are.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by godelski » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 8:24 PM UTC

nirui wrote: post #284

I saw no spicy comment here, so let me add my: > a time-sensitive facial recognition ... linked with big data from the central public security system ... "We will conduct a face screening for accounts registered with real names and that have played for a certain period of time at night" ... Facial recognition is a welcome sign So here is the image in my head: A man, Mr Zhao, 35 years old, just finished showering, hal…

I'm surprised this is not up higher. The potential for child exploitation is huge. Responses to your comment also presume all gamers are boys (pedos still love boys too). But it doesn't even have to happen in the verification stage. Think of how many times Alexa and Home misregister wake words. If that happens here you can catch people dressing. So all that needs to happen is: Tencent gets hacked, Tencent accidentally collects inappropriate images ''of minors,, or the proliferation of cameras sets up a nice target for hackers. The likelihood of any of these events happening isn't low.

You want kids to be safe? Don't put cameras in their rooms. And especially don't connect those cameras to the internet. I really hope people have hardware switches.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by godelski » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 8:29 PM UTC

alisonkisk wrote: post #291

nirui wrote: post #284

I saw no spicy comment here, so let me add my: > a time-sensitive facial recognition ... linked with big data from the central public security system ... "We will conduct a face screening for accounts registered with real names and that have played for a certain period of time at night" ... Facial recognition is a welcome sign So here is the image in my head: A man, Mr Zhao, 35 years old, just finished showering, hal…

Are you saying 8 yr olds play games with the camera pointed at their penis? A headshot of a topless child is not scandalous. There are issues here, but this isn't it.

Cameras capture more than heads. A topless child very well can be scandalous, especially if they are female. And it is only going to capture the head if the person is sitting in a normal position in front of their computer. If it scans outside of that setting, then you can capture their whole room.

You're assuming that the system works perfectly. You're on Hacker News! We have articles every day of major companies being hacked and/or having systems not work as expected and failing in grandiose ways. Now add minors into that situation. Pictures on minors. If that doesn't make you feel uncomfortable then I'm uncomfortable.

Putting more cameras in kids rooms are not doing anything to protect them (especially when those cameras are connected to the internet). It just makes child exploitation easier.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by lobocinza » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 8:54 PM UTC

throwaway744678 wrote: post #124

rvnx wrote: post #116

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This verification process exists in Europe as well (it's called liveness verification), example: https://www.jumio.com/technology/live-detection/

The technology exists, right. But have you experienced it anywhere outside of China? I, for one, have not (at least in the UE). I strongly believe that the average western customer is not be willing to go through such a process.

I believe that the average customer anywhere just don't care. I care but nonetheless did go through such a process as it was somewhat required for me to pay taxes on Brazil using 'Gov.br' SSI app.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by VRay » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 9:07 PM UTC

svieira wrote: post #372

anonymouszx wrote: post #272

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Amazing book, written by a former Madison Avenue employee (the subject of "Mad Men")

I think someone should make a movie or TV series out of this, it'd be the perfect parody of Mad Men in particular and our messed up hyper-corporate dystopia in general

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by VRay » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

curiousgal wrote: post #285

saithound wrote: post #113

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> But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have. The Chinese government is worse than most others, but not for this reason. All governments and societies make all kinds of "tyrannical" rules about raising children, in the name of limiting harm to children. This is no different. In Germany, the government does not trust pare…

I'm always surprised how people in the US immediately lose their shit at the sight of a child locked in a car. Like yes it is dangerous but it does not automatically make the parent the most horrible person to ever exist. https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/a22724843/ki...

Man, the article was maybe 10% of the source code of that page.. what a bloated nightmare

[{"@type":"WebPageElement","isAccessibleForFree":"False","cssSelector":".content-container"}],"articleBody":"It happened on a mild day in March, in the quiet suburb in Virginia where I grew up....

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by VRay » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 9:30 PM UTC

rotebeete wrote: post #260

saithound wrote: post #113

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> But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have. The Chinese government is worse than most others, but not for this reason. All governments and societies make all kinds of "tyrannical" rules about raising children, in the name of limiting harm to children. This is no different. In Germany, the government does not trust pare…

> In Germany, the government does not trust parents to home-school their children This is to protect children from their parents, this "anti-excessive-gaming" bullshit is directly attacking personal agency! If you have the resources (time, money, teachers etc.) to get your children the same education they would get in a (german) public school you might as well found a private one. This is even incentivized by federal…

Maybe it's different in the USA, but I feel like public school was a complete waste of my time.. I'd read through the entirety of all the textbooks in the first couple of weeks of the school year and learn everything a kid my age was expected to know. Then I'd sit in class for 5 hours a day for 9 months, reading pulp sci-fi, shuffling a deck of cards, or just moping with my head on my arms. I came out of it with such a bad work ethic that I almost flunked out of college in the first quarter

My cousin is home-schooling her daughters, and they're all years ahead of kids their same age while only needing to study ~9 hours a week. They have two full weekdays devoted to social activities with other homeschooled kids. It looks really amazing IMO

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by VRay » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 9:34 PM UTC

nxc18 wrote: post #336

eloisius wrote: post #87

This is clearly (at least to the Western sensibilities) a vast government overreach into private life, but can we marvel for a second at a company employing AI to curb addictive behavior towards its product? I definitely don't agree with the government mandates dictating how and when you can play video games, but it is kind of incredible to see a company use AI for something other than encouraging addictive behavior…

When I spend too much time on TikTok (about an hour I think), it slips in a video of a relatable young person saying something like “hold on! You’ve been scrolling for way too long now!…” or alternatively, “I understand it’s easy to keep watching videos, and trust me I’ve been there before, but those videos will still be there tomorrow. So go get some extra sleep, turn your phone off, do yourself that favor and have…

It's like putting a warning about gambling addiction on the wall of a casino. It doesn't accomplish anything, and it's just there to make the company look better and foist responsibility onto their victims.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by calsy » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 9:40 PM UTC

mensetmanusman wrote: post #386

viro wrote: post #365

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Well first risk analysis doesn't work like that. Second leaving ur kids unsupervised in a car is illegal in most states here. Hell in most states it's legal for me to break your car window if you do that to a freaking dog. so yea ur so wrong I'm pretty sure you're trolling us.

It’s clearly safer to leave a group of kids in the car with the air conditioning running while they are on their iPads for seven minutes then it is to bring them all through parking lots, regardless of how the media has distorted the risk of this situation ( Extreme cases are usually the result of drug addiction). Totally not trolling, just pushing back against media misinformation.

No it’s not ‘safer’. You’re ‘stats’ don’t consider the fact that nearly all parents take their kids with them after parking the car. If parents on masse decided to leave their kids in the car then the number of incidents would greatly increase.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by calsy » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 9:54 PM UTC

toomanybeersies wrote: post #390

calsy wrote: post #367

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Nothing to do with risk, everything to do with supervision. A person sees a child in a car alone, they don't create a risk assessment with instant access to available stats in their brain. They see a child alone and immediately think 'where are their parents?'. When you see those horror stories in the news a person's first thought is 'where are their parents?'. Regardless of the overall risk, people will always ask '…

"Acceptable in the wider community" is a fairly poor standard to go on. Hitting your child with a belt was acceptable until recently (and still is, in many places). It's only in the past 15 years that our histrionic society has decided that in all instances, without exception, that leaving your children unsupervised in a car is attempted murder. My parents used to leave me in the car from time to time, they always ma…

‘My parents used to do it’, is also a poor standard to work from.

Those incidents I mentioned occurred in Australia. ‘Well the incident rate is low’, that’s because almost all parents take their kids with them. If we all decided to start leaving kids in cars then the number of incidents would increase.

You live in a community, if you take actions generally frowned upon by the majority of people, like it or not you will possibly receive some negative consequences, especially if it involves children. Likewise a business like a pub would be trying to avoid an incident with a child left in a car while their parents played their addictive pokies. No business wants to deal with those negative consequences.