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Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by failwhaleshark »

seszett wrote: post #110
failwhaleshark wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it is true, then they were stupid by making themselves a victim by putting too much information online and weren't equipped to handle themselves. Apropos, Mao did have a saying that is inconveniently true: Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun If you cannot defend your person, then you cannot defend your speech. 1. Don't put personal information online. 2. Always be able to physically defend yourself. T…

It's pretty simplistic to just call a victim stupid because they didn't hide their whole life in the case that someone in the future might use information to attack them. It's also absurd to ask a regular person living in a country like Germany to be ready at all times to defend themselves using knives or guns.

Enough with the victimology tropes of "all victims are pure, helpless angels beyond reproach and responsibility."

> It's pretty simplistic to just call a victim stupid

People should be held accountable when they don't take reasonable measures to ensure their own security. You don't post your social security number, bank password, address, or birthdate online. You don't leave your car running with the keys in the ignition. You don't leave valuables in plain sight in a car. Such would be stupid vulnerabilities they created and that would be their own fault.

> It's also absurd to ask a regular person living in a country like Germany to be ready at all times to defend themselves using knives or guns.

It doesn't matter who or where you are, it's always personal responsibility. When the balloon goes up, you're on your own. The police cannot help you in the 5 to 45 seconds that it's over. So you're either prepared (internal locus-of-control), or it sucks to be you (external locus-of-control ... praying, tea leaves, wishing, utopian fantasies).

"This is this." - https://youtu.be/6J1Blggu5IU

Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by edly »

emerged wrote: post #84
kurofune wrote: post #56

>This site is the most disgusting place in the whole world, and I think all the people that are active in /g/ should get put in jail and be ashamed of themselves for making the world a worse place than it already is. >They are cyber terrorists, not cringe cancel kiddos. I sympathize with his case but this post seems a delusional, hyperbolic rant that will make his harassers target him with renewed fervor. They are tr…

Seriously I don’t know how people fail to realize they feed off this type of response. It’s like trying to fight a vampire by throwing your blood at them.

If you have suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Your logic is living proof that we still don't take the very real harm 4chan can do seriously. We laughed at "POOL'S CLOSED" and cheered with Operation Payback because it was fun, but now that 4chan is long dead and what remains is this.

If you want examples other than 4chan, look around. The state of several first-world countries (you probably live in one of them) is the result of threat ignorance.

Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by simonw »

failwhaleshark wrote: post #109
seszett wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the person says people showed up with knives at their home and physically harmed them. I'd say this qualifies as a threat to life, and shrugging is unlikely to work in this situation.

If it is true, then they were stupid by making themselves a victim by putting too much information online and weren't equipped to handle themselves. Apropos, Mao did have a saying that is inconveniently true: Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun If you cannot defend your person, then you cannot defend your speech. 1. Don't put personal information online. 2. Always be able to physically defend yourself. T…

Better never buy a domain name, apply for a HAM radio license or register to vote then.

(In the US the voter file of the name and address of everyone who registered to vote is public information. It's mostly not free online but you can usually buy a copy of it from the state, with minimal protection against that data being abused)

Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by wildflying »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #48
todd3834 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing you don't have kids

You're right. I wish we did though. IVF is so expensive in America that it's cheaper to fly to South Korea and get the procedure done there, by $10's of thousands. Even still, would 4chan really dare mess with someone's kid? Generally they try to avoid going to prison, or vigilante retribution. I guess you're right though. Thanks for pointing that out. I can think of a few ways 4chan could troll someone's child witho…

> Generally they try to avoid going to prison, or vigilante retribution.

Generally is an important distinction though ;).

Living in fear of falling out of that "generally" is probably not fun.

Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by [deleted] »

shadowgovt wrote: post #12
owlbynight wrote: post #10

There need to be harsh, harsh penalties for showing up uninvited to someone's house based on something that's happened or been said on the Internet. This is little kid shit and they either need to learn or have their toys taken away so they can't keep doing it.

Step 1 is catching them, and it's the nature of this sort of attack that doing so is deceptively hard. This kind of harassment is basically a flash-mob.

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Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by remram »

Ancapistani wrote: post #88
owlbynight wrote: post #10

There need to be harsh, harsh penalties for showing up uninvited to someone's house based on something that's happened or been said on the Internet. This is little kid shit and they either need to learn or have their toys taken away so they can't keep doing it.

In my country, and where I live (a relatively rural section), there are just such penalties - there’s a non-zero chance that if you show up at someone’s house, you’ll get shot for your efforts. Obviously I’m not condoning this, but does actually seem relevant to this discussion.

Realistically, in your country, the assailant would have had a gun themselves rather than a knife, and OP would be dead.

Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by deathlight »

numpad0 wrote: post #80
risky_opinions wrote: post #11

Not posting this under my main account for reasons, but 4chan harassed me for developing software too. They're a bunch of anonymous assholes that have nothing better to do. Their commentary was degrading and demoralizing. They thankfully didn't find me in real life, but I pulled down all social media to avoid them. Edit: I want to say one more thing. Sometimes people defend 4chan and say stuff like "that's just how t…

Is there the wall of shame/hall of fame pages for 4chan-related doxxing incidents? Are those greentexts the only content they share? In 2000s there used to be external wikis for ops done in a local BBS in my country, and those used to summarize timelines and key informations that led to development. They were probably doing for their own fun but were also useful for defending side.

There was a young teen girl who was bullied into killing herself which she did by drinking bleach (a quite horrific way to die). I don't remember how much of a hand the 4channers had in the actual bullying but after her death she was relentlessly mocked and made into a snide and pitiless meme that has thankfully died out by now.

There has been a long slew of young girls (and some boys) who have been tricked into sending explicit photos and have had their lives ruined over it in connection with 4chan and sites like it.

Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by dang »

failwhaleshark wrote: post #111
seszett wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty simplistic to just call a victim stupid because they didn't hide their whole life in the case that someone in the future might use information to attack them. It's also absurd to ask a regular person living in a country like Germany to be ready at all times to defend themselves using knives or guns.

Enough with the victimology tropes of "all victims are pure, helpless angels beyond reproach and responsibility." > It's pretty simplistic to just call a victim stupid People should be held accountable when they don't take reasonable measures to ensure their own security. You don't post your social security number, bank password, address, or birthdate online. You don't leave your car running with the keys in the igni…

We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines and ignoring our requests to stop.

Please don't create accounts to do that with.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Audacity fork creator steps down. Claims his life is in danger

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Post by jfengel »

kurofune wrote: post #56

>This site is the most disgusting place in the whole world, and I think all the people that are active in /g/ should get put in jail and be ashamed of themselves for making the world a worse place than it already is. >They are cyber terrorists, not cringe cancel kiddos. I sympathize with his case but this post seems a delusional, hyperbolic rant that will make his harassers target him with renewed fervor. They are tr…

There is zero chance of the police doing anything. The harassers are almost certainly not in their jurisdiction.

It's the FBI's jurisdiction, and they're not going to do anything, either. To them, it's just another of the billions of death threats sent every day. Don't call them about it until you're already dead.

It would be great if somebody, occasionally, decided to follow up on one of these felonies. Maybe people would think twice about it. But as it is, going to police is exactly as effective as complaining about it on the Internet: not at all.

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