Live data from Hacker News

Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

sixthtone.com

371–380 of 451 posts

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

#371

>2018 >wake up feeling sick after a late night of playing video games >excited to play some halo infinite >"xbox on" >"XBOX ON" >"Please verify that you are "annon332" by saying Doritos™ Dew™ it right!" >"ERROR! Please drink a verification can" >reach into my Dontos Mountain Halo War Chest >only a few cans left, needed to verify 14 times last night >still feeling sick from the 14 >force it down and grumble out "mmmm…

> the mountain dew ad plays > i have to dance for it

This is the real nightmare, active (mandatory) ad participation.

Drink the Kool Aid, say "Oh Yeah!!!"

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

#372

>2018 >wake up feeling sick after a late night of playing video games >excited to play some halo infinite >"xbox on" >"XBOX ON" >"Please verify that you are "annon332" by saying Doritos™ Dew™ it right!" >"ERROR! Please drink a verification can" >reach into my Dontos Mountain Halo War Chest >only a few cans left, needed to verify 14 times last night >still feeling sick from the 14 >force it down and grumble out "mmmm…

MOKEY-COKE! MOKEY-COKE! MOKEY-COKE!

(If you've never read Venus, Inc. it's even better than Manna and it's more on-point; and it was written in the 1950s!)

https://smile.amazon.com/Venus-Inc-Space-Merchants-War/dp/B0...

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

#373

>2018 >wake up feeling sick after a late night of playing video games >excited to play some halo infinite >"xbox on" >"XBOX ON" >"Please verify that you are "annon332" by saying Doritos™ Dew™ it right!" >"ERROR! Please drink a verification can" >reach into my Dontos Mountain Halo War Chest >only a few cans left, needed to verify 14 times last night >still feeling sick from the 14 >force it down and grumble out "mmmm…

Can someone stop HN from becoming 4chan?

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

#374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Tencent is doing this to comply to Chinese laws. Tencent, like all major Chinese corporations, is just a thinly veiled extension of the Chinese state. And I'm sure someone will try a "no u" about Facebook etc. effectively being extensions of the US government but that doesn't change the reality of how all major corps in China operate.

> Chinese corporations [are an] extension of the Chinese state The Chinese state defines Chinese laws so this is basically restating the GP's point that "Tencent is doing this to comply to Chinese laws" It's technically true for American corporations (which follow American laws created by the American government), but as you mention, it's not quite the same because the American system of government has significantly…

national security letters and secret courts have no inertia and need no bipartisan consensus.

the political theatre is only when they don't want to do something and delay. the state is swift with pursuing its interests.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

#375
Getting sick of this kind of things. I'm starting to think maybe I should remove as many electronics as possible and start learning electronics myself. It's sad that we are entering the golden age of electronics (with a bit of $$ and knowledge you can build products that are genuinely useful in a couple of weeks) and also the dark age of electronic surveillience.

And it's everywhere.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

#376
post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Western concept of “freedom” - more precisely, of rights unalienably reserved to individuals, families, and private societies, even at the expense of optimal outcomes for society at large - does not assume or require the sensible judgement of its beneficiaries. As another poster alluded, this is a misconception of freedom’s purpose: it does not exist so that society may be optimally ordered, but because it is the…

The Western concept of freedom in many western tradition definitely assumes that the person exercising the freedom knows what is best for them. Actually, this is how we in the West operatively define utility, not as what you actively need but as what you think you need. Which as the OP underlined is exactly why advertising for example in the Western economic tradition brings positive utility, because we assume that p…

> No matter how you get around it, as long as you have property you are doomed to live a subordinate life unless you're very lucky.

I would be curious to hear an elaboration this point.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

#377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who value diversity of thought should support edge cases where everyone doesn’t learn the exact same pedagogy.

Thats what the "freie Trägerschaft" schools are for, public schools can also have supplementary courses. (the latter isn't very common though) I went to a school that practiced "Montessori pedagogy" and I wish I could have visited a "normal" school in hindsight.

Why would you have preferred that over Montessori?

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

#378
post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there are multiple kids, it is clearly more risky to walk them through a busy parking lot. Edit. For those interested in the risk analysis side: “ On average, 38 children under the age of 15 die each year from heatstroke after being left in a vehicle. Nearly every state has experienced at least one death since 1998. In both 2018 and 2019 a record number of 53 children died after being left in a hot vehicle.” .. “…

Nothing to do with risk, everything to do with supervision. A person sees a child in a car alone, they don't create a risk assessment with instant access to available stats in their brain. They see a child alone and immediately think 'where are their parents?'. When you see those horror stories in the news a person's first thought is 'where are their parents?'. Regardless of the overall risk, people will always ask '…

> that is generally not acceptable in the wider community

That is the U.S.. Which is why I brought this point up. Different countries/cultures have different perspectives.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

#379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have. The Chinese government is worse than most others, but not for this reason. All governments and societies make all kinds of "tyrannical" rules about raising children, in the name of limiting harm to children. This is no different. In Germany, the government does not trust pare…

I feel like this is very different in kind. Are there any other countries that enforce a daily time limit on an activity, whether for children or adults? It seems either an activity (like smoking) is typically banned entirely or allowed; having it be partially allowed like this is difficult to enforce and consequently invites weird and invasive measures like these.

Yes, there are. Examples that immediately come to mind:

- Anyone driving a large vehicle for more than 9 hours per day, 56 in a week, and 90 over a two-week period in the European Union.

- Adults using a tanning under a sunlamp for more than one cycle in a 24 hour period in many countries (others, such as Australia, did ban them entirely).

- Children spending more than 10 hours per day in child care centers in many US states, such as Washington.

- Alcohol purchases are limited to certain times of day in many European countries (compare "No games between 10pm and 8am" in China).

Many of these are very difficult to enforce, and enforcement benefits from intrusive technology (such as tachographs) and even more so from intrusive AI (e.g. many EU countries were set to implement platforms to monitor truck drivers using AI, until the European Commission's Artificial Intelligence Act forced a change of plans).

I also disagree with the previous examples being as different in kind as you seem to think: e.g. the "no home-schooling" requirements, combined with mandatory attendance, still limits children's gaming time to something less than 19 hours on weekdays. Which is different from "no more than 1.5 hours", but only quantitatively, not qualitatively. And it certainly matches "the government does not trust its citizens to raise their own children", which was my main point.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

#380
post #89
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the GP comment meant, like, low-functioning autistic people. Not people who won’t conform; people who cannot . People who do not have the mental capacity to grasp and conform to social norms. I don’t think China is sending such people to re-education camps. Those camps don’t have the infrastructure required to care for such people. They only really “work” as an oubliette for able-bodied/able-minded people tha…

It would take me some time to dive into the prevalence of abusive “therapies” or what every day life is for autistic people in China. I did find this report about a rehabilitation center that forces autistic children to walk 19km (12 miles) per day as part of their treatment. It gained notoriety after a 3-year old died while in the center. https://www.sixthtone.com/news/811/toddler-jia-jias-death-hi...

That does sound more like it. My point was that this type of pseudo-“rehabilitation” can’t really be conflated with pseudo-“re-education.” No matter how abusive these rehabilitation centres are, they still have staff and facilities that the POW-camp-like environment of a re-education facility doesn’t (and probably cost a lot more to run.)

Similar to the difference between state prisons and state mental asylums in America in the 1960s.

Post reply on HN