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Couldn't this argument be made for literally any online service that involves a camera?
Only if that online service uses something called "time-sensitive facial recognition" to capture photo of a person during the most private time of a day. And given how currently the facial recognition system works, it'll probably ask you to look up, look down and blink all while it records your move. That's a lot of things to be captured.
Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night
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People gather even if the car is on and the AC is clearly on full blast and the blinkers are on clearly indicating that the adult has just left in the last few minutes. My wife was screamed at by someone who thought there was zero risk involved in bringing the little ones through an incredibly busy parking lot where everyone drives SUVs and oversized trucks. It’s as if they couldn’t imagine a situation where the pare…
Why are you trying to convince us leaving kids unsupervised in car parks is no big deal? You walk with the child in hand or if you're really concerned just pick them up. Point is there is a responsible parent who is watching and looking after the kids. Parenting isn't easy, its annoying to take kids in for short trip to shops, but you just have to do it.
Edit. For those interested in the risk analysis side:
“ On average, 38 children under the age of 15 die each year from heatstroke after being left in a vehicle. Nearly every state has experienced at least one death since 1998. In both 2018 and 2019 a record number of 53 children died after being left in a hot vehicle.”
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“ an average of 50 children per week are injured by being backed over in a parking lot or driveway. Despite the increasing prevalence of back-up cameras in vehicles, parking lots remain dangerous for families due to: Driver distraction (looking for a perfect spot or other in-vehicle distractions)”
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As privacy invading it is, I can easily see how this would be effective means to curb bad behavior online, such as trolling or spamming—or worse.
I hope there are very few people with your mentality
I did notice nobody outright challenged the actual claim (except for the Facebook comment that touched the topic).
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> But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have. The Chinese government is worse than most others, but not for this reason. All governments and societies make all kinds of "tyrannical" rules about raising children, in the name of limiting harm to children. This is no different. In Germany, the government does not trust pare…
> In Germany, the government does not trust parents to home-school their children This is to protect children from their parents, this "anti-excessive-gaming" bullshit is directly attacking personal agency! If you have the resources (time, money, teachers etc.) to get your children the same education they would get in a (german) public school you might as well found a private one. This is even incentivized by federal…
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Like young people in America aged 16-21 who cannot buy alcohol legally in the US? That seems pretty totalitarian and paternalistic from outside the US
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_drinking_age Most places restrict the age at which you can buy alcohol and most places seem to restrict it to at least 18. 21 is higher than the average but legal age laws seem to be pretty standard.
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#346This is I believe the first time in human history that AI video cameras have been widely deployed, inside private homes, for the purpose of enforcing laws. Never mind the banal details: this is an incredible milestone.
Knowingly maybe. But all those IP Cameras have had face detection for almost a decade, They've been deployed extensively in homes around the world, They've been phoning to their home to provide even basic features or at least the DDNS based features and are riddled with vulnerabilities.
One could use firewall, custom firmware to fix this to an extent but not everyone has the means or intention to do it.
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> In Germany, the government does not trust parents to home-school their children This is to protect children from their parents, this "anti-excessive-gaming" bullshit is directly attacking personal agency! If you have the resources (time, money, teachers etc.) to get your children the same education they would get in a (german) public school you might as well found a private one. This is even incentivized by federal…
People who value diversity of thought should support edge cases where everyone doesn’t learn the exact same pedagogy.
I went to a school that practiced "Montessori pedagogy" and I wish I could have visited a "normal" school in hindsight.
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Tencent is doing this to comply to Chinese laws. They won't do this if there is no such law. And the law says: "internet gaming companies have responsibility to not provide internet gaming service to minors between 10pm and 8am". I am sure tencent won't want to do this if they had the chance. 1) it limits their ability to get play time and sell to kids. 2) its more work on their end. So the main problem here is the l…
>Tencent is doing this to comply to Chinese laws. Tencent, like all major Chinese corporations, is just a thinly veiled extension of the Chinese state. And I'm sure someone will try a "no u" about Facebook etc. effectively being extensions of the US government but that doesn't change the reality of how all major corps in China operate.
The Chinese state defines Chinese laws so this is basically restating the GP's point that "Tencent is doing this to comply to Chinese laws"
It's technically true for American corporations (which follow American laws created by the American government), but as you mention, it's not quite the same because the American system of government has significantly higher inertia and building consensus is significantly higher effort, so you generally only see the effect in certain industries that span decades-long bi-partisan projects (e.g. military industrial complex)
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The argument basically boils down to the conclusion that we must keep our superiority complex to keep us sane. I'd rather have a correct assessment of myself. The hypocrisy Lincoln is talking about didn't lead his nation to emancipation, they delayed emancipation by over a hundred years. Emancipation was going to happen much earlier otherwise. There is no claim to moral superiority here. I live in the west and I guar…
But there is superiority; I have a colleague from China who accidentally pulled out their phone to read news while within sight where there was a protest going on. They were then visited on the weekend for eight hours for intense interviews to make sure he wasn’t involved in the ‘government criticism’. He says this is a regular situation. If you think this is a routine thing in America, you might be mistaken, but it…
The difference is that of intent. The US government isn't fine with you protesting because they respect your right to threaten the power of the interests they represent, it's because they know that your protest will do literally nothing to threaten them.
Wheras in China, the government is much more susceptible to being negatively affected for protests.
When push comes to shove, if you actually do threaten the interests of the US Government, you will be killed or exiled. We saw this happen multiple times throughout US history.
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I had no idea such laws existed. That's pretty crazy. But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have. When I was a kid in America, my parents disallowed videogames in the house. No NES or Genesis for us. On the occasions I'd go over to other kids' houses and play, I had no idea what I was doing. On the one hand, this seemed…
> But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have. The Chinese government is worse than most others, but not for this reason. All governments and societies make all kinds of "tyrannical" rules about raising children, in the name of limiting harm to children. This is no different. In Germany, the government does not trust pare…
Are there any other countries that enforce a daily time limit on an activity, whether for children or adults?
It seems either an activity (like smoking) is typically banned entirely or allowed; having it be partially allowed like this is difficult to enforce and consequently invites weird and invasive measures like these.