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Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by rowanG077 »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #64
rowanG077 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be fine if the government would use their "monopoly on violence" to ensure companies don't step so far out of line. That's basically one of the central reasons governments exist.

Governments exist to provide public goods. One such public good is protecting private citizens from having their rights violated by other parties, through a national defense system and a justice system. A collection of people not providing you with games on your terms is not a violation of your rights. You siccing the government on them is a violation of their right to choose for themselves what to work on and on wha…

So if all food companies decided to slightly poison all the food that people can buy. The government should not intervene at all? After all A collection of people not providing you with food on your terms is not a violation of your rights right?

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Post by _flux »

ev1 wrote: post #101
perihelions wrote: post #31

This is I believe the first time in human history that AI video cameras have been widely deployed, inside private homes, for the purpose of enforcing laws. Never mind the banal details: this is an incredible milestone.

The chinese app wechat already does this in private homes for the purpose of enforcing KYC and "misinformation tracking" - you are required to repeat after it, repeat every phoneme/syllable to form a voiceprint (and coincidentally enough to basically train something to replicate your speech), look straight ahead, rotate around your head, and follow its instructions to sign in again. Also, asking two verified-ID mainl…

As privacy invading it is, I can easily see how this would be effective means to curb bad behavior online, such as trolling or spamming—or worse.

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Post by qwertox »

brookmg wrote: post #191

I wish for the world not to go this direction

So do I, but I've known of a case in the family where the 11 year old kid was left with his phone in such a way that he got into the habit of watching YouTube even after 11 pm on schooldays. He could have had an opportunity of enjoying a good education, but his abuse of his phone and the family's iPad left him with bad grades. So bad, that going to university was no longer an option.

There are many career paths in Germany, so one could think that this might not really be an issue, but he also started messing up the alternatives. Now with Corona he is in a full limbo.

And this is only close family, I wouldn't be surprised if this is a more widespread issue, so I do appreciate if methods are sought after to avoid these kind of unnecessary problems, which are just a manifestation of bad parenting, but having a camera with an AI behind it watching your every step or possibly listening into your daily life feels like the wrong approach. It is scary.

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Post by rotebeete »

gambiting wrote: post #233
rotebeete wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No one is taking your voice print SIM cards are used for transmitting voice in an insecure fashion, so you can't be sure. Some voice codecs are even designed to do something very similiar to fingerprinting voices. > No one is taking your [...] biometric details They were already taken when you had¹ to get the ID in the first place. ¹ The federal republic directly adopted laws from nazi germany requiring ID for ever…

>>You can be certain that you end up in a database if you use a foreign SIM card from a non-KYC-country for a long period of time in a residential area. Your only defence is your network provider not cooperating unless forced by law. I've literally been doing this for the last 11 years, guess I'm screwed then :P >>They were already taken when you had¹ to get the ID in the first place. Yes, and the mobile operator doe…

> The difference being, that here it's done openly and in a visible fashion "either you do this, or you can't play our games".

So hidden surveillance is more ok than open violations?

> That sounds about on a level with an argument that since Hitler was vegetarian, all vegetarians are nazis.

I just wanted to explain why germans have to have an ID.

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Post by _the_inflator »

rococode wrote: post #23

For context, these are China's current restrictions on gaming for minors (under age 18): - Maximum 1.5 hours of gaming on weekdays - Maximum 3 hours of gaming on weekends - No games between 10pm and 8am (note that school typically starts between 7 and 8am) South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I think Vietnam may have something similar as…

Ok. Sounds like an unfair advantage for Western kids who want to be pro gamers to me then. More time to play, more time to train. ;)

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Post by rotebeete »

toomanybeersies wrote: post #249
rotebeete wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given how much analytics garbage phones regularly spew out Thank god¹ android is open source. ¹ Not religious, I just don't want to thank google :\

I wonder how Linus Torvalds feels about God taking credit for Android being open source?

I wonder how all the other contributors feel about Linus getting all the credit :D

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Post by [deleted] »

Uehreka wrote: post #76
underseacables wrote: post #56

As I read this the first thought that came to mind is if I were a kid, I would be very angry about it, and dedicate myself to defeating the system. I can’t help but hope the kids playing these games feel the same way.

The problem is that then the CCP won’t respond with “Oh no! They circumvented our invasive measures!” They’ll say “Hmm, they circumvented our invasive measures, I guess we’ll need even more invasive measures that are harder to circumvent.” This isn’t a game kids are gonna be able to win if the government is sufficiently committed to this goal.

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Post by rotebeete »

Ieghaehia9 wrote: post #251
rotebeete wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given how much analytics garbage phones regularly spew out Thank god¹ android is open source. ¹ Not religious, I just don't want to thank google :\

Thank Linus?

They didn't have to make the userland, which is arguably a big part, open source so I opted for google...

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Post by antihero »

rococode wrote: post #23

For context, these are China's current restrictions on gaming for minors (under age 18): - Maximum 1.5 hours of gaming on weekdays - Maximum 3 hours of gaming on weekends - No games between 10pm and 8am (note that school typically starts between 7 and 8am) South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I think Vietnam may have something similar as…

Man that fucking sucks. I spent far more time than that playing CS1.6 as a kid, I turned out fine.

I would be absolutely livid if my government tried to tell me how much time I could spend doing what I wanted, and remember distinctly being conscious of making those decisions for myself from at least 12+ (lying a lot because of the amount of services that made me say I was over 13).

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