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Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by marderfarker2 »

rjzzleep wrote: post #150
jamil7 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most (all maybe?) of the new German banks and fintech products seem to offer it as they have no physical branches, you can often open accounts directly from your smartphone. Some will offer a way of identifying yourself via a post office with your passport too.

What the person above means is different. If you open an account, nowadays you have to ask someone that already has a Wechat account to scan a QR code to vouch that you are indeed who you claim to be. It doesn't actually do ID identification though and it doesn't have to be a Chinese mainland user. It can be any other active Wechat account. Full ID Identification only works with a China mainland bank account IIRC. Wh…

Really? I’m outside of China, and signed up for WeChat (for work) but never had to do any of the KYC things. They only took my number to send an OTP.

If they ask for KYC in the mainland I suppose it’s understandable since it serves a lot more than a chat app there (payment, SSO for a lot of other services).

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Post by toomanybeersies »

hulitu wrote: post #148
throwaway744678 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The technology exists, right. But have you experienced it anywhere outside of China? I, for one, have not (at least in the UE). I strongly believe that the average western customer is not be willing to go through such a process.

You cannot activate a sim card in Germany without proof of ID

In my experience travelling internationally, linking SIM cards to ID (either on purchase, or on activation) is more common than not.

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Post by bellyfullofbac »

marderfarker2 wrote: post #241
rjzzleep wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the person above means is different. If you open an account, nowadays you have to ask someone that already has a Wechat account to scan a QR code to vouch that you are indeed who you claim to be. It doesn't actually do ID identification though and it doesn't have to be a Chinese mainland user. It can be any other active Wechat account. Full ID Identification only works with a China mainland bank account IIRC. Wh…

Really? I’m outside of China, and signed up for WeChat (for work) but never had to do any of the KYC things. They only took my number to send an OTP. If they ask for KYC in the mainland I suppose it’s understandable since it serves a lot more than a chat app there (payment, SSO for a lot of other services).

When I tried to install WeChat because I was going to travel to China, it kept making me verify my account repeatedly, I guess it was because my phone was rooted...

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Post by toomanybeersies »

francescovv wrote: post #236
gambiting wrote: post #151

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That's hardly comparable though. No one is taking your voice print and biometric details to match everything you ever say or do against you just to activate a sim card. Not to mention that buying a travel sim card that doesn't require ID is absolutely trivial, or even getting one shipped from any other European country which doesn't have this requirement is simple and easy. Yeah it's a faff, but at least no one will…

> No one is taking your voice print and biometric details Some Italian cell operators do. For example, when you are buying a new sim card for Iliad, you do this in front of an automated kiosk where you have to scan your ID, then face camera and say outloud "my name is Insert Your Name Here, and I would like to make a phone service contract with Iliad".

Is that for voice printing purposes, or is it in lieu of signing your name on a paper contract?

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Post by bellyfullofbac »

w0de0 wrote: post #184
AussieWog93 wrote: post #139

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>Was it an anti-Muslim thing? Officially, no. But in reality, yes. They want to make the Uyghurs more Han to reduce feelings of separatism.

Do you know what the euphemistic justification was? “Cleanliness”? I cannot think of one that is not absurd to even the dimmest ethno-nationalist of my imagination.

If I had to guess they'd just say the beard is a symbol of separatism, therefore if you refuse to shave then we might consider you to be sympathetic to the separatist movement, you wouldn't want us to think that, would you?

It's circular logic but probably good enough for the fascists...

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Post by tsjq »

Uehreka wrote: post #76
underseacables wrote: post #56

As I read this the first thought that came to mind is if I were a kid, I would be very angry about it, and dedicate myself to defeating the system. I can’t help but hope the kids playing these games feel the same way.

The problem is that then the CCP won’t respond with “Oh no! They circumvented our invasive measures!” They’ll say “Hmm, they circumvented our invasive measures, I guess we’ll need even more invasive measures that are harder to circumvent.” This isn’t a game kids are gonna be able to win if the government is sufficiently committed to this goal.

china might not hesitate to send such kids to , ahem, re-education camps.

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Post by skocznymroczny »

isatty wrote: post #222
userbinator wrote: post #39

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...a milestone towards the totalitarian dystopia previously only encountered in science fiction.

This shit is so utterly unacceptable and yet there will be no significant mass behind protests against it. Why won’t you think of the children?

Nah, the new argument is "we need this to prevent spread of covid"

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by lasagnaphil »

rococode wrote: post #23

For context, these are China's current restrictions on gaming for minors (under age 18): - Maximum 1.5 hours of gaming on weekdays - Maximum 3 hours of gaming on weekends - No games between 10pm and 8am (note that school typically starts between 7 and 8am) South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I think Vietnam may have something similar as…

There's a well-known open secret that every kid in South Korea have perfectly memorized either their mom or dad's citizen ID (the full 13 digits). There's also a statistic that the distribution of age in kid's popular online games is centered around the 40s/50s... you get the idea. Children usually borrow IDs/phones from your parents or other adult acquaintances (whether it be with or without permission.)

Though PC-bangs (Internet cafes) are where you can't get away with this restriction - usually they check your IDs and kick all minors out when it becomes 10pm. What really sucks for kids in South Korea is that cram schools (hagwons) also end at 10pm (another national restriction) - which means that after a stressful day in hagwon they have no time to actually play without circumventing the rules...

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Post by toomanybeersies »

rotebeete wrote: post #239
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #183

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> Don’t you think someone — possibly a user of this site — would have noticed the network traffic? Given how much analytics garbage phones regularly spew out, you'd have to perform HTTPS MITM attacks to check this – and that's the kind of thing that alters the behaviour of the system you're measuring. I still don't think it's likely, but if somebody were to find some suspicious code, I have no real reason to doubt th…

> Given how much analytics garbage phones regularly spew out Thank god¹ android is open source. ¹ Not religious, I just don't want to thank google :\

I wonder how Linus Torvalds feels about God taking credit for Android being open source?

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Post by lasagnaphil »

josephcsible wrote: post #35
rococode wrote: post #23

For context, these are China's current restrictions on gaming for minors (under age 18): - Maximum 1.5 hours of gaming on weekdays - Maximum 3 hours of gaming on weekends - No games between 10pm and 8am (note that school typically starts between 7 and 8am) South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I think Vietnam may have something similar as…

> South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I'm disappointed but not surprised that China makes rules like this, but I always thought South Korea was basically a free country and never expected this sort of rule from them.

As a South Korean, I can confidently say that nobody actually gives a shit about these rules, there are too many ways to circumvent around it, and as a result people don't think they're that "oppressed" from it. (Read my parent comment about getting around gaming restrictions)
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