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Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by trasz »

w0de0 wrote: post #218
anonymousacc1 wrote: post #114

Here we see an article in which a tech company is using AI in order to protect people from addiction. And we have the Western free-speech aficionados complaining about surveillance while their society is practically crumbling due to the freedom inherent in it (read drug abuse, social media addiction, sex, alcohol and porn addiction). They couldn't get themselves to wear simple masks during covid because of a requirem…

The Western concept of “freedom” - more precisely, of rights unalienably reserved to individuals, families, and private societies, even at the expense of optimal outcomes for society at large - does not assume or require the sensible judgement of its beneficiaries. As another poster alluded, this is a misconception of freedom’s purpose: it does not exist so that society may be optimally ordered, but because it is the…

Western concept of freedom, on philosophical and moral grounds, makes perfect sense - for humans. It doesn’t make much sense when applied to corporations.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by gherkinnn »

anonymousacc1 wrote: post #114

Here we see an article in which a tech company is using AI in order to protect people from addiction. And we have the Western free-speech aficionados complaining about surveillance while their society is practically crumbling due to the freedom inherent in it (read drug abuse, social media addiction, sex, alcohol and porn addiction). They couldn't get themselves to wear simple masks during covid because of a requirem…

Sure. Because power centralised around a few flawed humans is so much better. /s

I agree that Coca Cola, amongst others, can suck it. But reducing an individuals freedom as a means to do so is nonsensical.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by gambiting »

rotebeete wrote: post #228
gambiting wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's hardly comparable though. No one is taking your voice print and biometric details to match everything you ever say or do against you just to activate a sim card. Not to mention that buying a travel sim card that doesn't require ID is absolutely trivial, or even getting one shipped from any other European country which doesn't have this requirement is simple and easy. Yeah it's a faff, but at least no one will…

> No one is taking your voice print SIM cards are used for transmitting voice in an insecure fashion, so you can't be sure. Some voice codecs are even designed to do something very similiar to fingerprinting voices. > No one is taking your [...] biometric details They were already taken when you had¹ to get the ID in the first place. ¹ The federal republic directly adopted laws from nazi germany requiring ID for ever…

>>You can be certain that you end up in a database if you use a foreign SIM card from a non-KYC-country for a long period of time in a residential area. Your only defence is your network provider not cooperating unless forced by law.

I've literally been doing this for the last 11 years, guess I'm screwed then :P

>>They were already taken when you had¹ to get the ID in the first place.

Yes, and the mobile operator doesn't get them, while in the article discussed it's the "private" operator gathering all this data.

>>SIM cards are used for transmitting voice in an insecure fashion, so you can't be sure.

The difference being, that here it's done openly and in a visible fashion "either you do this, or you can't play our games".

>>¹ The federal republic directly adopted laws from nazi germany requiring ID for every citizen.

That sounds about on a level with an argument that since Hitler was vegetarian, all vegetarians are nazis. Your country adopted a lot of laws from the Third Reich. Mine adopted a lot of laws from the communist republic it once was. Neither fact makes those countries anything like their predecessors. The law that every citizen has to have an ID is a good one IMHO(wait for Americans to chime in and say this is against their personal freedom or something).

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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josephcsible wrote: post #35
rococode wrote: post #23

For context, these are China's current restrictions on gaming for minors (under age 18): - Maximum 1.5 hours of gaming on weekdays - Maximum 3 hours of gaming on weekends - No games between 10pm and 8am (note that school typically starts between 7 and 8am) South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I think Vietnam may have something similar as…

> South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I'm disappointed but not surprised that China makes rules like this, but I always thought South Korea was basically a free country and never expected this sort of rule from them.

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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by francescovv »

gambiting wrote: post #151
hulitu wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cannot activate a sim card in Germany without proof of ID

That's hardly comparable though. No one is taking your voice print and biometric details to match everything you ever say or do against you just to activate a sim card. Not to mention that buying a travel sim card that doesn't require ID is absolutely trivial, or even getting one shipped from any other European country which doesn't have this requirement is simple and easy. Yeah it's a faff, but at least no one will…

> No one is taking your voice print and biometric details

Some Italian cell operators do. For example, when you are buying a new sim card for Iliad, you do this in front of an automated kiosk where you have to scan your ID, then face camera and say outloud "my name is Insert Your Name Here, and I would like to make a phone service contract with Iliad".

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by gambiting »

francescovv wrote: post #236
gambiting wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's hardly comparable though. No one is taking your voice print and biometric details to match everything you ever say or do against you just to activate a sim card. Not to mention that buying a travel sim card that doesn't require ID is absolutely trivial, or even getting one shipped from any other European country which doesn't have this requirement is simple and easy. Yeah it's a faff, but at least no one will…

> No one is taking your voice print and biometric details Some Italian cell operators do. For example, when you are buying a new sim card for Iliad, you do this in front of an automated kiosk where you have to scan your ID, then face camera and say outloud "my name is Insert Your Name Here, and I would like to make a phone service contract with Iliad".

Ok, I stand corrected then :-) Had no idea this was a thing.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by rotebeete »

nickysielicki wrote: post #143
hulitu wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the first time. All smartfones have a microfone and a camera. And if you think that they are used only for making pictures and talking on the phone - dream on.

Don’t you think someone — possibly a user of this site — would have noticed the network traffic? Not only are you implying that there is a back door in the phone operating systems, but also in every other device on the same network as the phone to hide such traffic. What you’re suggesting is certainly possible , but the idea that it’s been rolled out to the average person doesn’t seem likely.

> back door in the phone operating systems

If there is a generic backdoor it's certainly not in the OS but rather in the modems firmware. The scary part is that all modem manufacturers are based in countrys that are known to violate human rights in organized ways.

> What you’re suggesting is certainly possible, but the idea that it’s been rolled out to the average person doesn’t seem likely.

It's a known fact that government agencys of certain states hack devices of people they target. An "average person" is still affected by this since they can be targeted "by accident" for multiple reasons. (e.g. through friends, being at suspicious locations, wrong vacation destination etc.) So it doesn't even matter if a device is backdoored.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by rotebeete »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #183
nickysielicki wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t you think someone — possibly a user of this site — would have noticed the network traffic? Not only are you implying that there is a back door in the phone operating systems, but also in every other device on the same network as the phone to hide such traffic. What you’re suggesting is certainly possible , but the idea that it’s been rolled out to the average person doesn’t seem likely.

> Don’t you think someone — possibly a user of this site — would have noticed the network traffic? Given how much analytics garbage phones regularly spew out, you'd have to perform HTTPS MITM attacks to check this – and that's the kind of thing that alters the behaviour of the system you're measuring. I still don't think it's likely, but if somebody were to find some suspicious code, I have no real reason to doubt th…

> Given how much analytics garbage phones regularly spew out

Thank god¹ android is open source.

¹ Not religious, I just don't want to thank google :\

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