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Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Feel free to name at least one government or society which has no such rules. All societies have them, and many such rules are widely accepted by the societies that have them as beneficial. E.g. such laws are the reason parents are not allowed to expose their children to obscene images, even if the parents really are convinced that doing so would benefit their children.

The Dutch government? Also, how is "not allowing homeschooling" tyrannical? Corona especially has shown us that the quality of education received at a school is much higher than at home. Every child deserves to not be held back by their parents in this way.

Are you Dutch?!

Because we, the Dutch, haven't been really progressive for like at least two decades.

There's limits on the age you're allowed to buy alcohol in The Netherlands just like in other countries.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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> The same adults are not trusted to make the decision of buying and drinking beer. My understanding is that studies showed that drinking before a certain age (on average of course) has a high chance of causing physiological brain deterioration, but I haven’t done any recent research to see if this was still a thing. The age requirement is the government not trusting their citizens not to damage themselves.

> The age requirement is the government not trusting their citizens not to damage themselves. The incoherence is still there. Not trusted not to damage themselves with alcool, but trusted to be given weapons and sent to the far side of the world where quite a few people would love to get their heads or, barring that, at least kill them? From the little research I’ve done, soldiers have greater chances of dying violen…

No, it's not hypocrisy but a tradeoff.

What does society lose if enlisting before 21 is banned? Most of its recruits. The military would be in ruins, the strength of the country on the battlefield in jeopardy.

What does society lose if drinking before 21 is banned? Some revenue for brewing companies and associated tax income, which are easily compensated by having saved significant amounts of brain cells in young adults to have an impact on the economy for generations.

Everything government is a tradeoff. And in politics. And in life.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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> But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have. The Chinese government is worse than most others, but not for this reason. All governments and societies make all kinds of "tyrannical" rules about raising children, in the name of limiting harm to children. This is no different. In Germany, the government does not trust pare…

> The same adults are not trusted to make the decision of buying and drinking beer. My understanding is that studies showed that drinking before a certain age (on average of course) has a high chance of causing physiological brain deterioration, but I haven’t done any recent research to see if this was still a thing. The age requirement is the government not trusting their citizens not to damage themselves.

If that's true, then the UK is doomed.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feel free to name at least one government or society which has no such rules. All societies have them, and many such rules are widely accepted by the societies that have them as beneficial. E.g. such laws are the reason parents are not allowed to expose their children to obscene images, even if the parents really are convinced that doing so would benefit their children.

The Dutch government? Also, how is "not allowing homeschooling" tyrannical? Corona especially has shown us that the quality of education received at a school is much higher than at home. Every child deserves to not be held back by their parents in this way.

> Corona especially has shown us that the quality of education received at a school is much higher than at home.

Among a population of parents who have a revealed preference not to home-school, sure. But it says nothing about outcomes among a population of parents who actually want to home-school their kids.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feel free to name at least one government or society which has no such rules. All societies have them, and many such rules are widely accepted by the societies that have them as beneficial. E.g. such laws are the reason parents are not allowed to expose their children to obscene images, even if the parents really are convinced that doing so would benefit their children.

The Dutch government? Also, how is "not allowing homeschooling" tyrannical? Corona especially has shown us that the quality of education received at a school is much higher than at home. Every child deserves to not be held back by their parents in this way.

> Corona especially has shown us that the quality of education received at a school is much higher than at home.

This definitely depends on whether those are the only two choices. If homeschooling includes the parents having the choice to send their kids to private academies of their choosing instead, then it's possible that homeschooling can be superior.

I don't know what it's like in the Netherlands, but in South Korea, with the very strong private academy culture, the public school system is actual comparatively subpar. Public schools are more useful for subjects like civics and history than more academic subjects like math and science.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feel free to name at least one government or society which has no such rules. All societies have them, and many such rules are widely accepted by the societies that have them as beneficial. E.g. such laws are the reason parents are not allowed to expose their children to obscene images, even if the parents really are convinced that doing so would benefit their children.

The Dutch government? Also, how is "not allowing homeschooling" tyrannical? Corona especially has shown us that the quality of education received at a school is much higher than at home. Every child deserves to not be held back by their parents in this way.

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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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> South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I'm disappointed but not surprised that China makes rules like this, but I always thought South Korea was basically a free country and never expected this sort of rule from them.

Like young people in America aged 16-21 who cannot buy alcohol legally in the US? That seems pretty totalitarian and paternalistic from outside the US

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_drinking_age

Most places restrict the age at which you can buy alcohol and most places seem to restrict it to at least 18. 21 is higher than the average but legal age laws seem to be pretty standard.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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post #115

This is I believe the first time in human history that AI video cameras have been widely deployed, inside private homes, for the purpose of enforcing laws. Never mind the banal details: this is an incredible milestone.

Not inside the private homes, but in 2008, Tabaco vending machines with facial recognition feature to verify the age(20+ years old) are deployed in Japan. The result was amusing. It was busted by picture of adult face, or by kids moving facial muscles.

Of course it was. They want minors to buy the stuff.

The facial recognition was just a distraction to evade law enforcement.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same with these games. In fact, I would be surprised if a company went to great lengths to reduce their potential consumer base.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feel free to name at least one government or society which has no such rules. All societies have them, and many such rules are widely accepted by the societies that have them as beneficial. E.g. such laws are the reason parents are not allowed to expose their children to obscene images, even if the parents really are convinced that doing so would benefit their children.

The Dutch government? Also, how is "not allowing homeschooling" tyrannical? Corona especially has shown us that the quality of education received at a school is much higher than at home. Every child deserves to not be held back by their parents in this way.

In the Corona case education was still the schools' responsibility, they (and the parents really) just were suddenly thrust into it with little prep or time to rearrange things.

This is very different to homeschooling.

Particularly with parents making a conscious decision to homeschool and properly planning how they're going to find the time.

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