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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by test_epsilon » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 3:10 AM UTC

gruez wrote: post #48

test_epsilon wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Let me monitor and censor your private speech otherwise you won't be able to communicate with your friends and family on our platform they all use." The apologetics for corporate-government fascism digust me. No, it's not okay for the ruling class to contract out their oppression to corporations any more than it is for them to use the government for that purpose.

> "Let me monitor and censor your private speech otherwise you won't be able to communicate with your friends and family on our platform they all use." I might be out of the loop, but are the platforms canceling people for their private speech? That's news to me. >The apologetics for corporate-government fascism digust me I find it disgusting that you're comparing the plight of people having to live in fear of death…

Speech is private speech.

I'm also not surprised you don't know what fascism is.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by chillwaves » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 3:10 AM UTC

komaromy wrote: post #26

chillwaves wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that I don't believe you, but Chinese teams compete at the highest levels of competitive gaming. There has to be some loopholes. Same goes for South Korea. Actually, China and South Korea are the two most dominant regions for many games.

Are there minors on the top-level Chinese teams?

The average age is around 20 and I doubt they are training to the most competitive levels in just a year or two.

> China's most famous e-sports player, Jian Zihao, has officially retired from gaming aged 23, citing ill-health.

> He had been a professional gamer since 2012, playing League of Legends under the name of "Uzi".

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52920786

He would have been ~15 in 2012.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by test_epsilon » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 3:15 AM UTC

SantalBlush wrote: post #46

test_epsilon wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Let me monitor and censor your private speech otherwise you won't be able to communicate with your friends and family on our platform they all use." The apologetics for corporate-government fascism digust me. No, it's not okay for the ruling class to contract out their oppression to corporations any more than it is for them to use the government for that purpose.

>"Let me monitor and censor your private speech otherwise you won't be able to communicate with your friends and family on our platform they all use." This is how the internet has been for as long as I remember. When you use a website, you agree to its rules. Do people truly believe they are oppressed over this?

Corporations are absolutely involved in oppressing people at the behest of government or other ruling class, yes. If you were deluded into thinking otherwise.

You're okay if the government privatizes certain "problematic" services it provides and allows the now private organization to violate peoples' rights?

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by baybal2 » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 3:16 AM UTC

kryogen1c wrote: post #41

gruez wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tencent: "show me your face or I won't let you pay my game", me: "fine I won't play your game then" Government: "show me your face or else[1]", me: "r-right away sir" [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence

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I will argue that monopoly on violence is more often than not a block on the society's forward advancement.

There is a certain limit of outrage past which not taking things to violence would itself destroy any functioning society.

People have morals, not only laws to follow.

It's very naive to always defer to comparisons to "authoritarian hellholes." Sometimes you need to judge your own actions yourself.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by SN76477 » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 3:18 AM UTC

noduerme wrote: post #43

rococode wrote: post #23

For context, these are China's current restrictions on gaming for minors (under age 18): - Maximum 1.5 hours of gaming on weekdays - Maximum 3 hours of gaming on weekends - No games between 10pm and 8am (note that school typically starts between 7 and 8am) South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I think Vietnam may have something similar as…

I had no idea such laws existed. That's pretty crazy. But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have. When I was a kid in America, my parents disallowed videogames in the house. No NES or Genesis for us. On the occasions I'd go over to other kids' houses and play, I had no idea what I was doing. On the one hand, this seemed…

I never understand to what end.

Is it simply power? What is the point of it?

You cannot crime or human behavior to misbehave.

I wonder how long it will be until China's citizens start to crack under the pressure.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by underseacables » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 3:22 AM UTC

As I read this the first thought that came to mind is if I were a kid, I would be very angry about it, and dedicate myself to defeating the system. I can’t help but hope the kids playing these games feel the same way.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by ashleyn » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 3:27 AM UTC

perihelions wrote: post #31

This is I believe the first time in human history that AI video cameras have been widely deployed, inside private homes, for the purpose of enforcing laws. Never mind the banal details: this is an incredible milestone.

The real clever kids will eventually realise you can just tape a post-it note to your head with "ADULT" written in sharpie.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by enjoylife » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 3:27 AM UTC

Sr_developer wrote: post #45

josephcsible wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I'm disappointed but not surprised that China makes rules like this, but I always thought South Korea was basically a free country and never expected this sort of rule from them.

Like young people in America aged 16-21 who cannot buy alcohol legally in the US? That seems pretty totalitarian and paternalistic from outside the US

In a car centric environment such as the US, there is a large burden society pays for when it comes to under age drunk driving. The harm from a car related fatality is felt immediately. It’s hard to compare that to the delayed and difficult to measure societal impact when kids play too much video games.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by voidnullnil » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 3:36 AM UTC

rococode wrote: post #23

For context, these are China's current restrictions on gaming for minors (under age 18): - Maximum 1.5 hours of gaming on weekdays - Maximum 3 hours of gaming on weekends - No games between 10pm and 8am (note that school typically starts between 7 and 8am) South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I think Vietnam may have something similar as…

As usual good advice but shouldn't be law.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by userbinator » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 3:42 AM UTC

zucker42 wrote: post #47

softwaredoug wrote: post #37

Obviously there’s cultural factors at play, I just wonder whether strategically it’s wise to teach kids externally imposed restrictions rather than learning to restrict themselves intrinsically because something else is worth doing? It’s kind of the metaphor of the kid with the very strict upbringing that has no self control when they move away from their family.

Won't the government have no qualms about eventually applying similar restrictions and enforcement mechanisms to adults?

I see that as the long-term-goal: it's quite a cliche term by now, but they are really creating sheeple, slowly breeding out the rebelliousness and independent thought to be replaced by docile, obedient worshippers of the government.