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Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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It’s a horrible invasion of privacy and personal liberty, but hey, it isn’t the government doing it and you agreed to this when you accepted the terms of service. /s

Tencent: "show me your face or I won't let you pay my game", me: "fine I won't play your game then" Government: "show me your face or else[1]", me: "r-right away sir" [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence

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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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This is I believe the first time in human history that AI video cameras have been widely deployed, inside private homes, for the purpose of enforcing laws. Never mind the banal details: this is an incredible milestone.

They don't enforce anything, they just spy/record.

Also those aren't laws, they are merely legislative acts.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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For context, these are China's current restrictions on gaming for minors (under age 18): - Maximum 1.5 hours of gaming on weekdays - Maximum 3 hours of gaming on weekends - No games between 10pm and 8am (note that school typically starts between 7 and 8am) South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I think Vietnam may have something similar as…

I had no idea such laws existed. That's pretty crazy. But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have.

When I was a kid in America, my parents disallowed videogames in the house. No NES or Genesis for us. On the occasions I'd go over to other kids' houses and play, I had no idea what I was doing. On the one hand, this seemed oppressive. But at least it was coming from my parents, not from the gov't.

What we did have was a Mac II that I had pretty much free reign on, as long as I wasn't playing games. This is how I learned to code - trying to write my own games. In the long run, it made me a pretty bad gamer; I have the gaming equivalent of an eating disorder (I have serious guilt issues with playing anything for more than a couple hours). But it made me a pretty decent hacker.

Obviously, it's disgusting for the gov't to do anything along these lines with facial recognition of minors who should be even more protected from surveillance than the adult public. Extremely Orwellian. But I'm interested what kind of unanticipated side effects it might have as far as kids learning to roll-their-own entertainment.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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In China it is the law that minors have restrictions on playing video games between 10pm and 8am. I suspect that on this forum there would be a mix of opinion about if that is a good idea or not. I mean, personally I think it should be up to parents to manage this, but I can totally see how some would have the opposite opinion about it. I don't think it's totally out of bounds as a concept for government to regulate…

Well I'm very interested to see how this plays out. Knowing what I know about kids it seems like China is making the mistake helicopter parents. Some of the already over achieving kids might respond well to this but frankly as ridiculous as it sounds this is how you end up building generations who resent their government.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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For context, these are China's current restrictions on gaming for minors (under age 18): - Maximum 1.5 hours of gaming on weekdays - Maximum 3 hours of gaming on weekends - No games between 10pm and 8am (note that school typically starts between 7 and 8am) South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I think Vietnam may have something similar as…

> South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I'm disappointed but not surprised that China makes rules like this, but I always thought South Korea was basically a free country and never expected this sort of rule from them.

Like young people in America aged 16-21 who cannot buy alcohol legally in the US? That seems pretty totalitarian and paternalistic from outside the US

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tencent: "show me your face or I won't let you pay my game", me: "fine I won't play your game then" Government: "show me your face or else[1]", me: "r-right away sir" [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence

"Let me monitor and censor your private speech otherwise you won't be able to communicate with your friends and family on our platform they all use." The apologetics for corporate-government fascism digust me. No, it's not okay for the ruling class to contract out their oppression to corporations any more than it is for them to use the government for that purpose.

>"Let me monitor and censor your private speech otherwise you won't be able to communicate with your friends and family on our platform they all use."

This is how the internet has been for as long as I remember. When you use a website, you agree to its rules. Do people truly believe they are oppressed over this?

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Obviously there’s cultural factors at play, I just wonder whether strategically it’s wise to teach kids externally imposed restrictions rather than learning to restrict themselves intrinsically because something else is worth doing? It’s kind of the metaphor of the kid with the very strict upbringing that has no self control when they move away from their family.

Won't the government have no qualms about eventually applying similar restrictions and enforcement mechanisms to adults?

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tencent: "show me your face or I won't let you pay my game", me: "fine I won't play your game then" Government: "show me your face or else[1]", me: "r-right away sir" [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence

"Let me monitor and censor your private speech otherwise you won't be able to communicate with your friends and family on our platform they all use." The apologetics for corporate-government fascism digust me. No, it's not okay for the ruling class to contract out their oppression to corporations any more than it is for them to use the government for that purpose.

> "Let me monitor and censor your private speech otherwise you won't be able to communicate with your friends and family on our platform they all use."

I might be out of the loop, but are the platforms canceling people for their private speech? That's news to me.

>The apologetics for corporate-government fascism digust me

I find it disgusting that you're comparing the plight of people having to live in fear of death squads to the plight of people having to... download another app.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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No but you are apparently oke with entertainment requiring face scans to access. If Tencent can do it it won't be long untill every large publisher does it.

If people only want to produce games that require giving up your privacy to play, then you have to make a choice between giving up games, or giving up privacy. Ultimately those are the only choices available to you that don't involve bending peaceful people to your will under pain of imprisonment. Perhaps a third choice, that also doesn't require resorting interfering with other people's private choices, with legal t…

I'd be fine if the government would use their "monopoly on violence" to ensure companies don't step so far out of line. That's basically one of the central reasons governments exist.
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