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European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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Post by engineeringwoke »

krona wrote: post #138
rich_sasha wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, Brexit shows, imho, that you can’t have the boring stuff without the tight integration. There are no duties because taxes are harmonised. There are no import/export controls because norms are identical pan-EU. The UK wanted to drop the tight integration and acceptance of common goals, but keep all the tax and trade benefits. But the logical hurdles turned out to be insurmountable. Want to sell fish tax-free? W…

> Basically, scaling is hard, and the EU is not bad at it. It's not scaling economically though, is it?

What makes you say that? Mass media, especially English speaking mass media, have been EU polyannas since its inception. It's bad for their status quo.

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Post by pydry »

trainsplanes wrote: post #208
jude- wrote: post #6

Do they want everyone to switch en masse to end-to-end encrypted communications? Because this is how you encourage that.

The vast majority of people do not care. Politicians will say this is to stop pedophiles, and if you speak up against surveillance, you’re labeled as a pedophile and ignored. Plus, let’s be real, end to end encryption doesn’t exist if you’re using any sort of pre-built app. It’s encrypted-looking to most people, but the people who matter always get back door access.

Don't care or don't perceive the threat clearly?

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Post by nextaccountic »

yarg wrote: post #140
dekrg wrote: post #90

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More end to end encryption use only means more laws banning encryption faster. Or do you really think that when for example DoH gains wider adoption all the countries using DNS based blocking will go "Oh well guess the techies got us".

Good luck with that - the genie's out of the bottle. End to end encryption is vital to the operations of modern businesses, it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Counterpoint: China does modern business just fine.

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Post by michaelmrose »

swiley wrote: post #204
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #202

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Open source . That means that they'd have to either prevent the downloading of the source, prevent it compiling, or prevent running something that you compiled on your own box. Any of those three seems to be guaranteeing that Europe will not have any leading role in computers for the foreseeable future. Any of those three also seems almost impossible to enforce.

There's no way to build apps locally on most smartphones which are the majority of end user devices. Open source practically died with personal computers.

When did personal computers die? Most desktops and laptops are fairly open and although android phones are not as open you can build software on your laptop/desktop for usage on your phone.

You could also use something like pinephone or librem. You wont have access to a lot of android tech but the most important functionality. A web browser, sending sms, email, making calls all work.

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

oblio wrote: post #142
goodpoint wrote: post #125

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xkcd is a just a comic - please don't make it a conversation killer.

Well, to revive this conversation. States have access to "a monopoly of legitimate violence". We grant them that in order for them to be able to keep the peace, you know, law and order. Everything else can be boiled down to this. No matter how many bits of encryption keys are used, someone with a chloroform infused rag and a wrench can visit any of us at any moment. And it's actually part of what we, collectively, as…

I might be too influenced with Brazil I watched recently, but the monopoly on necessary violence is not without restrictions ( which is why there is an outcry when the outer bands are pushed too far ). Granted, the fact is that the bands are now hidden from public view only to resurface when a whistleblower lets the population know. Still, basic principle remains. There are limits to violence goverment can legitimately engage in.

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

BjoernKW wrote: post #164
hughrr wrote: post #19

Well bye bye European tech industry. Why the hell would anyone want to do business with such a risk in place?

It's not like the EU so far has been home to a significant tech industry anyway. With GDPR, a notoriously convoluted set of rules and regulations that fails to achieve what it set out to, yet at the same time pesters SMEs while allowing large corporations with legal departments to continue to do as they please in terms of privacy, the EU has made sure it stays that way. Laws like this one are just the icing on the ca…

Whats convoluted about GDPR?

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Post by DaedPsyker »

adventured wrote: post #220
estaseuropano wrote: post #203

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This is such an uninformed comment. By virtue of the eu legal process this law only exists because Italy voted in favour of it, like all other EU countries. Anything else you hear is spin. Also this lae doesn't oblige anyone to anything, its a temporary law that comes in as another law ran out, and the aim is to have a more thorough piece of legislation on the books in 3 years. For the record, UK has much worse laws…

Saying it's uninformed doesn't make it so, nice try at front-loading some argument from intimidation though. > For the record, UK has much worse laws already on the books, as do the US or Australia. First of all, who said that the US or UK didn't? That's misdirection. This story is about the EU. What I posited, is member states leaving the EU, those that are heavily concerned about privacy rights. What would that hav…

How is it misdirection? The comment said maybe the brexiteers were right, so why would leaving for the purpose of privacy benefit when UK's own laws go beyond the EU? The answer isn't brexit it's changing your own laws in that case.

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Post by haroldp »

sib wrote: post #200
haroldp wrote: post #129

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If you send a letter, the USPO automatically takes and stores a picture of the envelope, and will show it to law enforcement upon request - no warrant required. Pen & paper has is a meta-data leak. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_Isolation_Control_and_Tra...

But you can mail letters without return addresses...

Found the hacker!

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Post by IncRnd »

edrxty wrote: post #53

Are there any primary sources for this? I'm having trouble finding anything talking about any final legislative action involving chat control/ePrivacy etc. that isn't this random pirate party blog.

What could possibly go wrong with this legislation?
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