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Re: Fake Tesla, Apple stocks have started trading on blockchains

#11
Calling synthentic assets - something otherwise fully embraced by traditional finance - 'fake stocks' repeatedly lets me think they might have had some sort of an agenda on this one..

Disclosure: I have personally invested small sums in the mentioned SNX and MIR.

Re: Fake Tesla, Apple stocks have started trading on blockchains

#12
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>Binance may have violated securities rules when it issued the tokenized shares of Tesla, MicroStrategy Inc. and Coinbase, BaFin said in April. Microstrategy Inc. So just to be clear, they're created a synthetic crypto-instrument to track the performance of a share that is something like >90% correlated with BTC (since MSTR is basically a leveraged BTC bet now). This is absolutely snake eating it's own tail kinds of…

I don't feel bad for Mark Cuban - a sucker who should have known better - but clearly if his team fell for it than its good evidence the entire system needs much heavier regulation.

I don't want to have to deal with the societal problems/have my taxes go to a bailout when there's billion dollar scams affecting average workers, a pension fund, or minority first-time investors.

Re: Fake Tesla, Apple stocks have started trading on blockchains

#13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US has huge financial industry partly because the regulation is so extensive. People from all over the world invest their money in the US because they know what when liquidity crisis happens, they still get their money back. And that is one of the reasons so many people invest in crypto-scams. They are used to the safety of traditional banking, and think that it comes for free. Not realizing that it is a hard e…

Investing in crypto projects is the same like investing in dot com companies back in the day. You invest in concepts not in the actual product or solution and ofc 99% of these projects are unrealistic or team behind them is incompetent.

No. There's a big difference.

When Webvan went bankrupt, they truly bought all of those warehouses / refrigerated vans. They were honest about their business idea.

When "Africrypt" (a recent Crypto group) stole $3.6 Billion from its customers, that's straight up fraud and would not stand even back in the dot-com boom in the 90s. That's the sort of thing US Regulators are trying to protect investors from.

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You still might invest into a bad idea (ex: Webvan or Theranos), but those CEOs are truly spending money on vans / warehouses / poorly designed blood tests and not just actively stealing it from their investors.

Even when companies criminally lie (ex: Enron or Worldcom), its a far lesser crime than what the Africrypt brothers did just a few weeks ago. The size and scope of the scams currently going on in the Blockchain world is far worse than what happens in US regulated markets.

Re: Fake Tesla, Apple stocks have started trading on blockchains

#14
post #7

>Binance may have violated securities rules when it issued the tokenized shares of Tesla, MicroStrategy Inc. and Coinbase, BaFin said in April. Microstrategy Inc. So just to be clear, they're created a synthetic crypto-instrument to track the performance of a share that is something like >90% correlated with BTC (since MSTR is basically a leveraged BTC bet now). This is absolutely snake eating it's own tail kinds of…

This isn't about Mark Cuban's losses per se, I also have no issue with him (an accredited investor) getting bilked for some change between the couch cushions - the issue is even if an incredibly sophisticated investor like Mark could fall for such a rug-pull/failure then how can we possibly expect unsophisticated investors not to get bamboozled? Remember, those who wash out of trading end up beneficiaries of the state bankruptcy and welfare programs, so the state very much has an interest in this.

Crypto now is like trading stocks was before and leading up to the great depression: a bunch of hucksters, shills, snake-oil salesmen and unrestricted margin. And a few well-intentioned people. Before the Securities Act, the Securities Exchange Act, Regulation T and the SEC.

The great finance speed-run has reached mid-1929.

[edit] Seriously if the Fed has to cough up $60 billion dollars to bail out Tether, I'm going to be incredibly pissed off.

Re: Fake Tesla, Apple stocks have started trading on blockchains

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post #3

> But to oversimplify, under the Mirror Protocol, the idea is to keep prices of the synthetic -- or “mirrored” -- equities in the ballpark of the real thing by offering incentives for traders to arbitrage price discrepancies and manage the actual supply of tokens. Users can create, or “mint,” new tokens when prices are too high by posting collateral, and destroy, or “burn,” tokens when prices are too low, driving the…

> But to oversimplify, under the Mirror Protocol, the idea is to keep prices of the synthetic -- or “mirrored” -- equities in the ballpark of the real thing by offering incentives for traders to arbitrage price discrepancies and manage the actual supply of tokens. Users can create, or “mint,” new tokens when prices are too high by posting collateral, and destroy, or “burn,” tokens when prices are too low, driving the…

It’s the redemption of the real underlying that allows ETFs to work.

Re: Fake Tesla, Apple stocks have started trading on blockchains

#16
post #7

>Binance may have violated securities rules when it issued the tokenized shares of Tesla, MicroStrategy Inc. and Coinbase, BaFin said in April. Microstrategy Inc. So just to be clear, they're created a synthetic crypto-instrument to track the performance of a share that is something like >90% correlated with BTC (since MSTR is basically a leveraged BTC bet now). This is absolutely snake eating it's own tail kinds of…

This isn't about Mark Cuban's losses per se, I also have no issue with him (an accredited investor) getting bilked for some change between the couch cushions - the issue is even if an incredibly sophisticated investor like Mark could fall for such a rug-pull/failure then how can we possibly expect unsophisticated investors not to get bamboozled? Remember, those who wash out of trading end up beneficiaries of the stat…

That is exactly why no one should be trading cryptocurrency. Anyone who does so deserves to lose everything. I don't want the SEC wasting my tax money protecting those idiots.

Re: Fake Tesla, Apple stocks have started trading on blockchains

#17
Looks like cryptocurrencies are not very innovative. They keep reinstalling all the features that have been there and improved in the regular markets. Tether and stablecoins mimicking the USD, now this stuff mimicking stocks, how are the not getting in trouble with government institutions or Apple? What are the loopholes? No existing laws yet? Or they operate and reside in far away jurisdictions?

Re: Fake Tesla, Apple stocks have started trading on blockchains

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Many people are asking: Why government should regulate finance? In the US you should look at the so-called free-banking era (1837–1864) or the crisis era (1782–1930). Btw. Free banking didn't mean no rules. It just meant that there was no charter or permission is needed to start a bank, Finance was basically free for all. Easy to get in. Constant stream of economic recessions and banking crises harmed everyone. Wildc…

> The US has huge financial industry partly because the regulation is so extensive. People from all over the world invest their money in the US because they know what when liquidity crisis happens, they still get their money back. And that is one of the reasons so many people invest in crypto-scams. They are used to the safety of traditional banking, and think that it comes for free. Not realizing that it is a hard e…

I like to follow the fallout from cyrpto/token scams on reddit as they happen and it’s the same thing every time: People who had been touting the benefits of “no regulation” are suddenly angry and outraged that the government hasn’t done more to prevent the scam from happening and isn’t (in their minds) doing enough to get their money back.

It’s a leopards ate my face situation. And it’s beyond frustrating but I can also sympathize with them a bit. Who among us hasn’t stubbornly needed to see something for ourselves in order to learn a lesson we could have (and should have) learned by listening to the people with a bit of experience?

Re: Fake Tesla, Apple stocks have started trading on blockchains

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post #3

> But to oversimplify, under the Mirror Protocol, the idea is to keep prices of the synthetic -- or “mirrored” -- equities in the ballpark of the real thing by offering incentives for traders to arbitrage price discrepancies and manage the actual supply of tokens. Users can create, or “mint,” new tokens when prices are too high by posting collateral, and destroy, or “burn,” tokens when prices are too low, driving the…

Just about anyone is already allowed to buy Tesla stock.

Re: Fake Tesla, Apple stocks have started trading on blockchains

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post #3

> But to oversimplify, under the Mirror Protocol, the idea is to keep prices of the synthetic -- or “mirrored” -- equities in the ballpark of the real thing by offering incentives for traders to arbitrage price discrepancies and manage the actual supply of tokens. Users can create, or “mint,” new tokens when prices are too high by posting collateral, and destroy, or “burn,” tokens when prices are too low, driving the…

Who isn't allowed to buy TSLA?
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