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Both the Ebola and Marburg viruses both seem to live in bats in Africa and periodically transfer to humans - given it's happening in one place means it's not surprising it happens elsewhere
Sure, but does it happen right next to a world renowned Ebola virus research center?
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/researching-eb...
Where else would you research ebola?
It doesn't have to have been engineered to have escaped. Why this convolution keeps happening is beyond me, we "know" this isn't a bio-superweapon. Taking this as read, either: Researchers at the lab failed to spot something like this in the wild, in an area where they were looking for this. So, failed to raise the alarm appropriately with acceptable transparency. or, Researcher work at the lab led to the collection…
The minute the PRC government destroyed the evidence, they lost the presumption of innocence. Let's also remember - we're dealing with very smart people who very well knew the price they were paying by not cooperating with the international community, and yet that path seemed more attractive than just "coming clean." I wonder what the judicial system would have to say if a murder was committed in my house, and there…
Yes, the cover up and hostility towards the lab leak hypothesis may actually be the strongest evidence for it. Which is to say, not much. But we have no evidence for the natural origin story, and it's a somewhat strange coincidence that the initial outbreak was near a lab studying these very same kinds of viruses. Granted you might put such a lab in places where there are lots of bat viruses to be found, but that's s…
That, plus the fact that a novel bat coronavirus originated blocks away from a facility...that studied novel bat coronaviruses.
How much of a coincidence is even possible?
It doesn't have to have been engineered to have escaped. Why this convolution keeps happening is beyond me, we "know" this isn't a bio-superweapon. Taking this as read, either: Researchers at the lab failed to spot something like this in the wild, in an area where they were looking for this. So, failed to raise the alarm appropriately with acceptable transparency. or, Researcher work at the lab led to the collection…
> Either way it's clear China reacted as-if this was the end of days. There's a case to be made that "China acted as-if this was the end of days," and western media went along with the narrative. For example, people were not falling dead in the streets from cases of SARS-CoV-2 in Wuhan China. Those were staged. Example of the Propaganda in the UK: "CORONAVIRUS IS CAUSING PEOPLE TO DROP TO THE FLOOR IN THE STREET" (su…
As someone who is out of the loop on this and only a basic understanding, it seems very peculiar that scientists were so quickly to just jump on the "it must be bats and a wet market" thing so early on despite the Wuhan lab being right there. It's like when some out-of-control company creates a superfund site through gross negligence of industrial byproduct handling and then goes "idk cancer gonna cancer. you can't l…
Shouldn't the next step not be "I wonder what the scientists consider that my basic understanding doesn't cover", not "scientists are lying"?
Skimmed the article but failed to see any evidence for a zoonotic origin. Did I miss it?
It's not like there's a paper trail. The best you can say is that the virus looked very similar between species, so a natural jump is plausible.
It's kinda obvious that the 'lab leak theory' was created just to attack China.
It was created because people thought it was weird that a novel bat coronavirus originated blocks away from a research facility specializing in novel bat coronaviruses.
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Did you know that there's been evidence pointing to an origin 600 miles south of Wuhan [0], based on sampled early cases and genetic sequencing? [0] https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2020-05-...
It's worth noting that the paper this article is based on is somewhat contested. For example "There are several serious flaws with their findings and interpretation." [1] "The authors’ misinterpretation of MJNs fosters misconceptions, inaccuracies, and misrepresentations of fundamental phylogenetic principles."[2] [1] https://www.pnas.org/content/117/23/12522 [2] https://www.pnas.org/content/117/23/12518
Do you think that these conflict with the statement Forster made that "I would be a bit careful about pinpointing a place (of origin), because we don't have many samples from the early phase," he says. "But it seems to me we shouldn't restrict ourselves to Wuhan when looking for the origin." [0]. They did have a variety of samples, enough to throw doubt on where the origin was, right?
I brought this up just to point out that it is not a foregone conclusion that Wuhan was the location of the first covid-19 cases in humans. Do you think that is an incorrect statement?
[0] https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2020-05-...
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The biggest thing that made the pandemic so bad outside of china was large fractions of the population not taking it seriously. That said this pandemic was objectively not that bad by historical standards.
The US was a major source of anti vaccination FUD. And while in the US vaccination is stalling because of "muh freedom" EU governments developed an app that stops unvaccinated people from entering restaurants and airplanes. The latest 3D chess move was letting children get the jab without their parents permission. I was seriously worried about our civilization for a moment but sanity prevailed. We will be at 90% soon…
Edit: ok, you're an arrogant yank, which explains it. Whatever you read about the mystical EU on reddit is 9 times out of 10 total bs.
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I found this link [0] that seems to debunk, in a lot of detail, the congressional testimony of these two physicists on the specifics of their claims for evidence of gain of function manipulation in the gentic sequence of covid-19. That jives with another source [1] that explained, amongst other things, that there's genetic evidence covid-19 evolved in animals with intact immune systems, not in a lab. [0] https://resp…
Well, if the authors of these posts disagree, they should contact the government and offer their testimony as well, then we can consider their argument to hold similar weight.
Attack their argument, not the location where they said the argument.