> The sudden account closures have put financially vulnerable customers under stress. Of course they have. It's no accident that accounts like these are heavily marketed to people with terms like "faster access to YOUR money" and "virtually no fees" and "manage YOUR MONEY from anywhere, down to the penny!" These companies are targeting people for whom every single dollar is of vital importance. To then yank the accou…
Chime has been suddenly closing accounts, not returning customers’ money
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Re: Chime has been suddenly closing accounts, not returning customers’ money
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
IAAL but this is not legal advice. It sounds like it depends. If the bank has good reason to believe the funds are fraudulently sourced, then it may lawfully be entitled to hold them until it can be shown (either to their satisfaction, or to the satisfaction of a court) that the funds are legitimate.
It also depends on whether and how the funds actually made it to the FDIC insured institution. If Chime didn’t deposit the funds or if the funds weren’t deposited in a segregated custody account FBO Chime customers (as opposed to co-mingled with Chime’s corporate cash) then it’s a lot less of a guarantee because they could be tied up with potential creditor claims to Chime’s cash. That being said, the article makes m…
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Re: Chime has been suddenly closing accounts, not returning customers’ money
#33That’s why I don’t trust any of these new trendy banking apps; better to stick with established institutions IMO. Not that they’re great either but at least you won’t be in a situation like this, or at the very least they’ll have better customer support.
It's why I switched everything to a combination of [boring established brokerage] and a credit union that's been around for almost 100 years. Their apps are mediocre and some of the more complicated account changes require a mix of faxed forms and phone support that's only available during normal business hours. But they're unlikely to mess things up very much and they're hopefully less likely to sell or leak all of…
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#34Ex-employee of chime here, joined early on (think first 10 employees) and spent half a decade working there. I can guess as to what is going on here. I am not sure if my NDA still covers me talking about stuff there, but most likely is what has happened was folks either: not using their accounts (this will trigger eventual closer) or legitimately engaging in practices that would be... improper in any banking system.…
The article directly contradicts what you're saying. Do you think the piece paints an unfair or inaccurate characterization of the complaints? (from the article)
>Of the 920 complaints filed about Chime, 197 were tagged as involving a “closed account.” The CFPB’s complaints are labeled inconsistently, and many of the other 723 also detail problems involving accounts that were closed against customers’ will. By comparison, Wells Fargo, a bank with six times as many customers and a lengthy recent history of misbehavior in its consumer bank, has 317 CFPB complaints tagged for closed accounts over the same time period. Marcus, the new online bank created by Goldman Sachs, with 4 million customers, has generated seven such complaints.
Re: Chime has been suddenly closing accounts, not returning customers’ money
#35Ex-employee of chime here, joined early on (think first 10 employees) and spent half a decade working there. I can guess as to what is going on here. I am not sure if my NDA still covers me talking about stuff there, but most likely is what has happened was folks either: not using their accounts (this will trigger eventual closer) or legitimately engaging in practices that would be... improper in any banking system.…
This is the unfortunate side of disruptive tech. It can't - and shouldn't - replace people. But it seems the allure of cost controls is too strong even if it hurts customers, and eventually the business.
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#36This happens on the regular with established "normal" banks in the UK and other EU countries. I believe US banks also have the right to suspend accounts for "fraudulent activity", correct me if I'm wrong. Therefore, you can't expect banking startups to be any better. Fix it on a higher level.
It wouldn't be an issue if you could appeal and talk to a human, but challenger banks are, by design, understaffed, and they have no legal obligation to explain why they're terminating your account.
However I haven't heard of any bank (proper bank, with a license, challenger or otherwise) keeping your money in such case.
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#37Compare the terms from Bank of America, especially the "Withdrawal" section.[2] There are restrictions on how soon you can withdraw how much, and they tell you those up front. You can get at least $225 the day after a deposit. For new customers within 30 days of opening the account, withdrawals over $5,525 may be required to wait up to 5 days. For large cash withdrawals, you may need to go to a "cash vault" center and provide you own armored car. Stuff like that.
[1] https://www.chime.com/policies/chime/chime-user-agreement/#t... [2] https://www.bankofamerica.com/salesservices/deposits/resourc...
Re: Chime has been suddenly closing accounts, not returning customers’ money
#38Ex-employee of chime here, joined early on (think first 10 employees) and spent half a decade working there. I can guess as to what is going on here. I am not sure if my NDA still covers me talking about stuff there, but most likely is what has happened was folks either: not using their accounts (this will trigger eventual closer) or legitimately engaging in practices that would be... improper in any banking system.…
>A few complaints like this aren't all that weird, bigger banks have way more complaints and do way worse things. The article directly contradicts what you're saying. Do you think the piece paints an unfair or inaccurate characterization of the complaints? (from the article) >Of the 920 complaints filed about Chime, 197 were tagged as involving a “closed account.” The CFPB’s complaints are labeled inconsistently, and…
Re: Chime has been suddenly closing accounts, not returning customers’ money
#39> The sudden account closures have put financially vulnerable customers under stress. Of course they have. It's no accident that accounts like these are heavily marketed to people with terms like "faster access to YOUR money" and "virtually no fees" and "manage YOUR MONEY from anywhere, down to the penny!" These companies are targeting people for whom every single dollar is of vital importance. To then yank the accou…
Credit Unions where created to service customers that would not profitable for a normal bank, many decades ago I was one of those customers... Still today, even though my financial situation is far better, refuse to put any of my money in bank after the treatment I received from them. I have been with my current credit union for 20+ years, I love them, every loan I have gotten from auto to mortgage in the last 15 years is also run through a credit union...
Credit Unions is where it is at, people need to be educated to use them
Re: Chime has been suddenly closing accounts, not returning customers’ money
#40Ex-employee of chime here, joined early on (think first 10 employees) and spent half a decade working there. I can guess as to what is going on here. I am not sure if my NDA still covers me talking about stuff there, but most likely is what has happened was folks either: not using their accounts (this will trigger eventual closer) or legitimately engaging in practices that would be... improper in any banking system.…
> I chalk this up to their massive size (well over 12,000,000 customers) and a large portion of refusing to scale up Human Resources and instead trying to use to tech to deal with a lot of this. This is the unfortunate side of disruptive tech. It can't - and shouldn't - replace people. But it seems the allure of cost controls is too strong even if it hurts customers, and eventually the business.