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Chime has been suddenly closing accounts, not returning customers’ money

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Re: Chime has been suddenly closing accounts, not returning customers’ money

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> Chime is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services provided by The Bancorp Bank or Stride Bank, N.A.; Members FDIC

Regardless of this, those bank accounts are still FDIC insured, and thus they're subject to the same regulations, right? When I closed my Bank of America account they were insistent that any transactions or deposits after it was closed would be mailed to me in the form of a bill or a check, respectively. Is that not a requirement for all FDIC insured accounts?

Re: Chime has been suddenly closing accounts, not returning customers’ money

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That’s why I don’t trust any of these new trendy banking apps; better to stick with established institutions IMO. Not that they’re great either but at least you won’t be in a situation like this, or at the very least they’ll have better customer support.

credit unions are great. Typically very customer friendly (i.e. no stupid monthly fees), many have been around a long time, and have rolled-out decent online banking options and mobile apps.

Re: Chime has been suddenly closing accounts, not returning customers’ money

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This is a good reminder that the best way to get your money back from an institution that is unfairly keeping it from you is either to file suit (in CA, you can sue for up to $10,000 in small-claims court), or hire an attorney. Self-help and complaining online rarely works. Phone calls work even less.

Re: Chime has been suddenly closing accounts, not returning customers’ money

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> The sudden account closures have put financially vulnerable customers under stress.

Of course they have. It's no accident that accounts like these are heavily marketed to people with terms like "faster access to YOUR money" and "virtually no fees" and "manage YOUR MONEY from anywhere, down to the penny!" These companies are targeting people for whom every single dollar is of vital importance.

To then yank the accounts right as a large deposit from a government agency lands is malfeasance, or at least immoral.

The vast majority of us who post on this site have plenty of money, or at least credit, in reserve so that even losing $10,000 worth of deposit isn't crippling. It's bad, for sure, but it's not "I'm homeless starting tomorrow" bad. We are not the target market for apps-that-should-be-proper-banks like Chime.

> She was directed to a passage in the company’s account agreement that states, “Chime and/or Bank may suspend, freeze, or close your Account for any reason with or without notice”

Yup, sounds about right. And of course there's a binding arbitration agreement, requiring all arbitration actions to be on an individual basis.

So customers can be turned away with no reason, no recourse, no private right of action against the offending company, and no ability to group together to push back on a larger foe.

This is, no pardon requested, fucking bullshit. I loathe that we've gotten so deep into contracts of adhesion and abstractions between supplying company and supplier and third-party relationships and "oh it's someone else's problem" and automated customer handling.

Re: Chime has been suddenly closing accounts, not returning customers’ money

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This is why crypto is the future

Crypto isn't as vulnerable to this, but it's just as vulnerable. POS Apps could blacklist your address and not accept payments from you just as easily and trace funds that leave that wallet and blacklist them; all in the name of fraud prevention.

Re: Chime has been suddenly closing accounts, not returning customers’ money

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> Chime is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services provided by The Bancorp Bank or Stride Bank, N.A.; Members FDIC Regardless of this, those bank accounts are still FDIC insured, and thus they're subject to the same regulations, right? When I closed my Bank of America account they were insistent that any transactions or deposits after it was closed would be mailed to me in the form of a bill or a…

IAAL but this is not legal advice.

It sounds like it depends. If the bank has good reason to believe the funds are fraudulently sourced, then it may lawfully be entitled to hold them until it can be shown (either to their satisfaction, or to the satisfaction of a court) that the funds are legitimate.

Re: Chime has been suddenly closing accounts, not returning customers’ money

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That’s why I don’t trust any of these new trendy banking apps; better to stick with established institutions IMO. Not that they’re great either but at least you won’t be in a situation like this, or at the very least they’ll have better customer support.

It's why I switched everything to a combination of [boring established brokerage] and a credit union that's been around for almost 100 years. Their apps are mediocre and some of the more complicated account changes require a mix of faxed forms and phone support that's only available during normal business hours. But they're unlikely to mess things up very much and they're hopefully less likely to sell or leak all of my financial and personal information. And if something goes wrong my brokerage has in-person customer support branches around the country.

Re: Chime has been suddenly closing accounts, not returning customers’ money

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When your relatively small banking app generates more consumer complaints than Wells Fargo, you're really doing something very wrong.

I would caution that before people try to blame the victims here ("don't use small banks!" "don't use banking apps!" etc), these things happen with large/established banks too. With accounts just being randomly locked for a "fraud investigation" that can take weeks (particularly for cash movements over 10K).

What my spouse and me are doing is we have two checking accounts at different banks with a different one of us as the primary. Pay-checks are received at one, and a scheduled transfer moves some money to the second, and bills paid from both. That way even if one of our accounts did get suspended while a hassle, we could weather is with relative ease.

Re: Chime has been suddenly closing accounts, not returning customers’ money

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> Chime is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services provided by The Bancorp Bank or Stride Bank, N.A.; Members FDIC Regardless of this, those bank accounts are still FDIC insured, and thus they're subject to the same regulations, right? When I closed my Bank of America account they were insistent that any transactions or deposits after it was closed would be mailed to me in the form of a bill or a…

Does that mean that each customer has an account at one of those banks? Maybe they could call them up directly and get their money back.
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