Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says • Hacker News Board

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by rsj_hn » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

naruvimama wrote: post #8

Twitter is put on par with newspapers, because they do gatekeeping and have accepted bias. Twitter can not have the cake and eat it too. There is nothing sinister just the laws kicking in. You wouldn't want google manipulating search results and then claim to be neutral.

I think you are going to see at least the large nations throw up firewalls and crack down on the international social media companies because they have an awful lot of power to shape perceptions by silencing some voices or labelling their views as "misinformation" while promoting other voices. That's enormous power.

It is absolutely naive to think that companies like twitter don't use that power to advance the political/social agendas their most powerful employees care about and it's even more naive to think that governments will see this power and not want to control it for themselves, but instead let it operate unchecked in their own borders, influencing their own elections. They will either block these companies from operating via firewalls or demand that they use their power to share the political and cultural values they want to push, systematically deplatforming any company that they view as a threat to their agenda. China was ahead of the curve.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by random314 » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:07 PM UTC

alex_smart wrote: post #148

random314 wrote: post #142

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No. The article goes against what you have been claiming. How did your programmer brain not see the flaws satyarthi is pointing out? Why such shoddy/research or comments on your part?

>The article goes against what you have been claiming. Not really, that article is an example of people spreading the lies. Perhaps it was not clear to you, but my claim in the previous comment was that a, pretty much all liberal voices were saying that bill would weaken the existing child labour laws and b, that all of them were lying. So the fact that you can find many such articles saying those things is not reall…

You are simply placing an absurd requirement on the reader. The article is pretty clear. New exemptions are being added to the law. Is this true or false?

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by srean » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:09 PM UTC

kumarvvr wrote: post #160

srean wrote: post #90

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For one thing payment to state governments not ruled by the BJP the party at the center) have been indefinitely delayed. States have been complaining about this, they have lost significant revenue, and are practically held under ransom.

Sure, those sort of procedural things will be sorted out. Overall, I see GST as a good thing. And, for many years, investors from other countries complained about complicated business environment in India and wanted to reduce red tape. Amalgamating the myriad of tax setups across various states, into one uniform tax code, I consider, is a good thing.

One man's 'procedure' is another's political vindictiveness. GST is how many years old now ? That should have been ample enough time to fix the problems that shouldn't have been there in the first place.

You challenged the notion that GST is a pathetically flawed implementation. So I gave you one. Rest is your call.

GST is a mix of a miserably poor implementation and crass political arm twisting by the party that holds sway in the center to force state governments run by opposing parties to fail.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by random314 » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:12 PM UTC

alex_smart wrote: post #149

random314 wrote: post #141

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Nobody was mocked. The BJP leader claimed that cow dung cures covid19. He subsequently died of covid19. The one sentence post was a PSA that cow dung cures covid19. Nobody was mocked. If you want to see mocking in a free country go here https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/ . India is not a free country.

>The BJP leader claimed that cow dung does not cure covid19. Source? >The one sentence post was a PSA that cow dung cures covid19. Nobody was mocked Now that is just dishonest. Both the posts are available on this link https://theprint.in/india/journalist-activist-jailed-under-n... How is saying "Cow dung, cow urine didn’t work, oh!!! RIP" after someone's death not mocking them?

Are you kidding me?

“The cure for Corona is not cow dung & cow urine. The cure is science & common sense. Professor ji RIP,” Leichombam had written

This is mocking? And mocking should lead to many months of nonbailabe arrest without trial? This is one of the most egregious examples of clamping down on free speech. The statement is true and helps educate citizens who are being misinformed nonstop by hindutva affiliates about cow urine.

In a free country we can have forums like this https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by alex_smart » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:13 PM UTC

random314 wrote: post #162

alex_smart wrote: post #148

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>The article goes against what you have been claiming. Not really, that article is an example of people spreading the lies. Perhaps it was not clear to you, but my claim in the previous comment was that a, pretty much all liberal voices were saying that bill would weaken the existing child labour laws and b, that all of them were lying. So the fact that you can find many such articles saying those things is not reall…

You are simply placing an absurd requirement on the reader. The article is pretty clear. New exemptions are being added to the law. Is this true or false?

False.

Also, I figured out why your username seemed familiar and I do not want to discuss anything with you. Not this. Not anything else. Ever. I hope you will respect my choice. Have a good day.

There is already another person who I am discussing this with, and we are already much along into the discussion that we ever got here. So you can follow that thread to understand more.

>You are simply placing an absurd requirement on the reader

I admitted so much in the previous comment, no? Ignore and move on.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by srean » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:19 PM UTC

kumarvvr wrote: post #50

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #24

in india at least there is a saying "you are doing this on your own responsibility". and this relates to an employee going for a job or doing something weird or students applying for college. what this means is, twitter is supposed to be responsible for their inability to cooperate with the crony government and any action they would be taking.

Why is a government elected through due process, with free and fair elections a "crony" govt. I can understand ones hate for the policies of a govt, but this is absurd.

About one third of the country did not participate in the election. Of the two third that did about 40% did not vote for the party that is in power. So it is oversold that the party has universal endorsement.

Even if it did, that in no way prevents crony governance. The way modern democracies work, once in power governments have little interest in representing those they purportedly represent. Most of the time they are making good of the 5 years they have to enrich themselves and their party.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by selimthegrim » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:22 PM UTC

alex_smart wrote: post #132

potamic wrote: post #123

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It was done in poor taste indeed, but really blatant abuse of the National Security Act. This does appear to be more of a political move than anything. And there in lies the problem when such laws with broad interpretations go into effect, a government in power can leverage it to their gains. All they need is a technicality on which to trap someone.

Actually, there is a much more sinister systematic problem underneath this, which imo makes this sort of political abuse of law to curtail dissent seem like a minor issue in comparison. India seems to have completely given up on any attempt to genuinely implement common law principles that judicial systems worldwide are based on. Instead of conviction and eventual prison being the goal (along with the presumption of…

Well, it seems like integration of J and K and Manipur finally worked itself out after all!

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by kranner » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:23 PM UTC

kumarvvr wrote: post #154

kranner wrote: post #63

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So you're saying the moment YouTube begins to flag content as potentially manipulated, it could become a problem? And do none of the points in your previous comment matter at all?

Of course. If you put out a video expressing your views on a political situation, and YT labels your video as "manipulative video", won't you have a problem?

> If you put out a video expressing your views on a political situation, and YT labels your video as "manipulative video", won't you have a problem?

So you’re admitting this looks like an act of retribution by the Government then?

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by selimthegrim » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:26 PM UTC

kumarvvr wrote: post #151

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #62

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crony for selling out public infrastructure to capitalists, for waiving loans for billion dollar scammers but farmers resort to suicide when they are unable to pay back their small loans, when "elected governments" act as the nazi party and "image" is worth more than lives of ordinary citizens, when they do as they wish, have people disappear as they like, when journalists are arrested and people killed for speaking…

> selling out public infrastructure to capitalists Not sure what you mean. If there are any specific scandals you can point out to, I'd be really happy to know more. Are you suggesting govt. should not contract out infrastructure projects? > for waiving loans for billion dollar scammers More than 80% of property/money of such defaulters has been taken back by the government. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/…

I mean this is a little much - Manipur and Meghalaya are Hindu majority and China is fomenting separatism there too?

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by srean » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:27 PM UTC

kumarvvr wrote: post #159

mlnj wrote: post #76

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> If tomorrow, there is a coordinated rumour mongering going on, leading to riots and deaths, dont you think those who started the rumour be caught? There is a constant stream of misinformation spread via government sources in the country. The Indian government over the last 7 years have steadily weaponized social media to dehumanize opponents and carve away rights from a very large section of the dissidents. This ca…

> The Indian government over the last 7 years have steadily weaponized social media to dehumanize opponents and carve away rights from a very large section of the dissidents. Would love to see examples. Really curious. Eager to learn. > This call for war against misinformation that you point to seems to be always targeted towards the government's opposition most times In general, the media is very friendly to the cur…

> Would love to see examples. Really curious.

You are either posing this in deliberate bad faith or you live under a rock. WhatsApp is flooded with antimuslim fake videos, lynching, burning, killing of purportedly Hindu people by Muslims. Many of these have been traced to BJP's IT cell.

In fact the IT cell head himself tweeted the identity of the gangrape victim of Hathras although that is a crime to do so according to criminal law.

So it is quite clear where the government's interest lies -- not in stopping government sponsored hate speech and fakenews but as an instrument to suppress criticism.

Given your stance I am beginning to suspect you may be one of those paid shills yourself.