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Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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post #24

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The next sentence is: From May 2 to June 5, the efficacy rate in preventing hospitalization was 98.2%, compared with 93% from June 6 to July 3 That's a 4x higher chance of hospitalisation.

How do you conclude that?!

The percent of hospitalization increased from 1.8% to 7%, which is about four times. This is basically lying with statistics

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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post #2

I'm so exhausted and demoralised by this endless cascade of things-getting-worse. It's taking a really big toll on my mental health and there's no resources available in my country to offer support (and there's nothing to be done except try to learn to live with it, anyways). The future looks bleak.

Do yourself a favour and disconnect from your TV / media. Now tell me, is COVID still here now that the fearmongering is gone?

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The next sentence is: From May 2 to June 5, the efficacy rate in preventing hospitalization was 98.2%, compared with 93% from June 6 to July 3 That's a 4x higher chance of hospitalisation.

Complaining that your glass is 7% empty while mine is 93% full. This is a relatively good result.

I'm not complaining, I'm pointing out that the Delta variant also has a higher chance of hospitalisation, not just getting sick.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Describing the covid pandemic as simply a small decrease in life expectancy is a little on the nose. Also, as a vaccinated New Zealander who after spending 5 months at home is now traveling again, I can assure you people there are happy and mostly oblivious to what has gone on overseas. The travel restrictions whilst draconian, aren’t absolute and are being eased when needed. The travel bubble with Australia being a…

> Describing the covid pandemic as simply a small decrease in life expectancy is a little on the nose. How so? The first result I could find[1] estimates that life expectancy decreased by 1.18 years in the US due to the pandemic, which doesn't strike me as extreme. 1: https://www.pnas.org/content/118/5/e2014746118

Life expectancy is a long term trend. Why would you use it to measure the impact of a pandemic?

Answer: Because you can hide the one bad year with the last 100 good years of data and trending.

Maybe you should use population growth projections from 1970 to 2070 to show that this isn't even a pandemic?

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Then turn off the news. You need to look for actual signals such as availability of emergency services. Hospital capacity.

Is it feasible to “turn off the news” in 2021? I’m not so sure.

Feasible? Yes. But it certainly requires effort and saying now to things that are considered standard parts of daily life by much of society, such as engagement with platforms like Twitter and Facebook.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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post #60

I realize the article is specifically about the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and the delta variant, but even in more general articles about immunity, 'natural immunity' is left out of the conversation[1]. You can carry your COVID test paperwork and latest antibody test to show you are equally, if not better protected, however, it strangely is ignored. Or, a study by a vaccine producer (NOVAX), comes up with evidence that…

> It takes 3 to 7 years to see some negative consequences of vaccines I tried some Google Fu but all I came up with was this: https://www.chop.edu/news/long-term-side-effects-covid-19-va... > The history of vaccines shows that delayed effects following vaccination can occur. But when they do, these effects tend to happen within two months of vaccination > These experiences demonstrate two important findings. First, w…

The nightmare scenario is antibody-dependent enhancement of a mutated strain of NCov-SARS-2, or a related coronavirus.

It's impossible, of course, to test for this.

However unlikely it might be (not keeping me up at night, to put it mildly), this would be a negative vaccine consequence which wouldn't reveal itself until whenever said related virus broke out into the population.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Buried the lede: > At the same time, protection against hospitalization and serious illness remained strong. I.e., Delta is more likely to get you sick, but you’ll still turn out fine.

> I.e., Delta is more likely to get you sick, but you’ll still turn out fine. Except for possible brain damage: > In a June paper[5], he and his team analysed clinical details for 125 people in the United Kingdom with COVID-19 who had neurological or psychiatric effects. Of these, 62% had experienced damage to the brain’s blood supply, such as strokes and haemorrhages, and 31% had altered mental states, such as confu…

As someone who was a hypochondriac before it went mainstream: I would not worry about it.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

#138
post #45

The headline seems misleading. Isn’t the reduction possibly caused as much by easing of restrictions as by the Delta variant? > Israel has recorded a steep drop in the efficacy rate of the Pfizer Inc.-BioNTech SE in preventing coronavirus infections, due to the spread of the delta variant and the easing of government restrictions.

A different source [1, German only] details that these numbers are based on observations from the last two weeks, and that 50 percent of the newly infected people had been vaccinated. [1] https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/asien/israel-studie-impfun...

The interesting info from that article:

- Biontech protects 64% against Delta infection (not hospitalization or something)

- No mention whether these 50% are one or two doses or with which vaccine

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

#139
post #49

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> the same finger-waggers who want everyone vaccinated or quarantined Ignoring the name-calling for a moment, what is it that you want for everyone?

To have autonomy over their own medical decisions.

You can have your medical decisions. You just aren't allowed to act irresponsibly and potentially infect people.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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To have autonomy over their own medical decisions.

Education and intelligence are necessary for achieving autonomy. In general, it's hard to take claims for "autonomy" seriously when so many people's decisions seem to be arrived at by uncritically following social media.

That cuts both ways. I remember the finger-waggers - for weeks - mocking people who chose to wear a mask in the early days of the pandemic, with the same tone of smug superiority they today reserve for people who choose not to. I'm a lot more worried about those types of people than the type who arrive at what look to me like sillier conclusions but don't seek to impose them on everyone.
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