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Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

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Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

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post #159

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> AES256 could be broken tomorrow, or maybe it has already been. This is extremely unlikely. > What we know is that, extrapolating compute speed from the past decades and even assuming quantum computers become useable in practice, the best algorithms we currently have cannot be brute-forced within the next 50 years. Quantum computers only offer a quadratic speedup against symmetric ciphers. AES 256 will survive much…

>>AES 256 will survive much longer than the next 50 years against brute force attacks. From what I understand it simply can't be broken by brute force because simply iterating through every possible value of a 256 bit key would require more energy than there is in the universe, and that's without actually trying any of the combinations, just simply having a computer do a i++ through all possible values. I'm not sure…

> I'm not sure if quantum computing helps here in any way

Theoretically a quantum computer can brute-force AES-256 using 2^128 sequential steps using Grover's algorithm (i.e. a quadratic advantage over a classical computer). Parallelization diminishes the advantage, e.g. if you're limited to 2^64 sequential steps, you get a 2^64 speedup over classical, for a cost of 2^192 which is still ridiculously large.

Thus quantum computing is not a relevant threat for AES-256 or most other 256-bit symmetric crypto.

Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

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post #166

Own your data or quit gripping when this happens. On my phone I keep all my personal stuff in git with the remote set to my desktop (it has a public IP) over ssh. My photo stream is just rsynced occasionally over ssh. Not having to deal with this is arguably even more convenient provided your OS vendor doesn't intentionally get in the way.

Yes this probably works great for you. Now please explain my grandma how to set up Git and SSH on her phone.

Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

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post #166

Own your data or quit gripping when this happens. On my phone I keep all my personal stuff in git with the remote set to my desktop (it has a public IP) over ssh. My photo stream is just rsynced occasionally over ssh. Not having to deal with this is arguably even more convenient provided your OS vendor doesn't intentionally get in the way.

Yes this probably works great for you. Now please explain my grandma how to set up Git and SSH on her phone.

Obviously she would use different software, my point is iOS essentially forces people like her to use this.

Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

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post #27
post #17

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>8TB hard drive is about 200 dollars nowadays, so this amount of data is about 1.6B dollars worthy of retail hard drives. External hard drives can be obtained on sale for $15-16/TB. They can then be shucked to get internal drives. I suspect bulk buyers can get pricing equal or cheaper than this, rather than the retail of $25/TB

Why are external drives so much cheaper anyway? Edit: I googled it an apparently it’s an economy of scale thing. People are more likely to buy external hard drives, much more mass market thing, Costco and Walmart sell externals, therefore downward pressure on prices compared to internal drives.

External drives are also spec'd for lower performance and longevity.

Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

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post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AES256 could be broken tomorrow, or maybe it has already been. This is extremely unlikely. > What we know is that, extrapolating compute speed from the past decades and even assuming quantum computers become useable in practice, the best algorithms we currently have cannot be brute-forced within the next 50 years. Quantum computers only offer a quadratic speedup against symmetric ciphers. AES 256 will survive much…

>>AES 256 will survive much longer than the next 50 years against brute force attacks. From what I understand it simply can't be broken by brute force because simply iterating through every possible value of a 256 bit key would require more energy than there is in the universe, and that's without actually trying any of the combinations, just simply having a computer do a i++ through all possible values. I'm not sure…

> iterating through every possible value of a 256 bit key

It's my understanding that when encryption gets "broken", it usually refers to something other than a simple brute force attack. Like, something that would make it so you don't need to run as many iterations or whatever.

I assume this because a brute force attack is something that is always possible from day 1, whereas an encryption scheme being broken is something that happens some time afterwards.

Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

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Unless you have encryption that is guaranteed to never be obsolete it ALWAYS matters where you store the data.

If your model is "even encryption isn't good enough" then you might as well not care because there is nothing you can do to protect it.

That is a strawman. Apple could just not host at Google.

Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

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I guess 8 exabytes doesn't get the same number of clicks Edit: Not really trying to be facetious, but come on. Apple using a lot of storage at a lot of places isn't too surprising

It's over Eight QUADRILLION kilobytes!

Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

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I'm amazed any HN readers could believe Google would want to know what is stored if they could actually read it. That is completely useless to them. What is interesting and useful is who is connecting from where, when, with what. Yet again it feels like Snowden is forgotten. Metadata is what matters in high volume data, not content.

Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

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post #166

Own your data or quit gripping when this happens. On my phone I keep all my personal stuff in git with the remote set to my desktop (it has a public IP) over ssh. My photo stream is just rsynced occasionally over ssh. Not having to deal with this is arguably even more convenient provided your OS vendor doesn't intentionally get in the way.

Which phone do you use?

Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

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post #40

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> Highly doubt Google has access to any iCloud data other than an estimate of the immense size of the service. They do of course have access to the ciphertext and access to traffic patterns, in crypto threat models traffic analysis tells the adversary a wealth of information.

Why would Google even attempt to spy on those patterns? it serves no purpose and how do you justify employee time spent for such useless things? Not to mention apple proxies all requests through their servers rendering such analysis utterly useless to begin with.

>Why would Google even attempt to spy

What?

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