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Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by specialist »

The best take down of Twitter comes from Jack Dorsey in this interview with Lex Fridman [2020/04/24].

History of machine learning at Square 13:09:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60KJz1BVTyU&t=789s

https://podcastnotes.org/artificial-intelligence-podcast/jac...

Square is the anti-Twitter. Square profits from doing good, Twitter from doing bad. Square uses AI for verification, authentication, fighting fraud. Twitter uses AI to signal boost lies.

I always wondered if Twitter was clueless, oblivious, incompetent, or what.

Jack knew. He always knew.

Imagine if Twitter had been run like Square. Imagine that world.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

kumarvvr wrote: post #50
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #24

in india at least there is a saying "you are doing this on your own responsibility". and this relates to an employee going for a job or doing something weird or students applying for college. what this means is, twitter is supposed to be responsible for their inability to cooperate with the crony government and any action they would be taking.

Why is a government elected through due process, with free and fair elections a "crony" govt. I can understand ones hate for the policies of a govt, but this is absurd.

crony for selling out public infrastructure to capitalists, for waiving loans for billion dollar scammers but farmers resort to suicide when they are unable to pay back their small loans, when "elected governments" act as the nazi party and "image" is worth more than lives of ordinary citizens, when they do as they wish, have people disappear as they like, when journalists are arrested and people killed for speaking against this "Elected government".

yeah, that crony elected government.

edit; https://theprint.in/india/journalist-activist-jailed-under-n...

like these journalists. imagine an elected government can arrest anyone over cow posts? either these people have committed such heinous crimes against cows that their incarceration is necessary to protect law and order in cow community or the government has a vendetta against them. I'd go with the latter and with that, your elected government nonsense just flies away

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by kranner »

kumarvvr wrote: post #60
kranner wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All your points apply to YouTube as well, and YouTube has more than 10x the users it has in India than Twitter does. But then why is YouTube not being targeted by the Government? One salient difference I see is that Twitter is protecting its users by being identified and punished by the Government for being anti-Government.

Because youtube has no mechanism to label content one way or other. It is not a massive distribution network. It is a content heavy site used for sharing videos. The actual sharing happens on other platforms.

So you're saying the moment YouTube begins to flag content as potentially manipulated, it could become a problem?

And do none of the points in your previous comment matter at all?

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by gruez »

kumarvvr wrote: post #55
6510 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how would one even sort search results without bias?

By removing user profile data as an input to the search query processing and result ranking.

So censoring a specific topic or viewpoint is fine as long as it's applied to everyone?

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by xfer »

kumarvvr wrote: post #52
xfer wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/06/why-indian-courts-shou...

The internet is an oversized megaphone. A couple of 1000 dedicated workers can spread rumours, panic and propaganda. When you have a country of 1.3 billion people, a large portion of whom also have smartphones, who, unfortunately are also uneducated and gullible, you have the perfect environment to cause trouble. Apps like WA and Telegram, enable this megaphone to reach every nook and corner of the country. If tomorr…

The answer should be to educate the people. Judging the progress in the ML research, it is a lost battle trying to "protect" people from propaganda/misinformation. And i don't trust the indian authorities to do it right seeing how opaque the whole system is.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by mlnj »

kumarvvr wrote: post #55
6510 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how would one even sort search results without bias?

By removing user profile data as an input to the search query processing and result ranking.

That is not the topic being talked about.

Is Google allowed to filter results on any internal criteria they can come up with? It includes all avenues like political, censorship, fake news, low quality, competitor results etc.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by leereeves »

HappyTypist wrote: post #23
Naushad wrote: post #17

The article misses some more context. 1. The escalation intensified after tweets by prominent ministers and fucntionaries of the ruling government were marked as "manipulated media" 2. The IT Ministers and opposition partys accounts were locked for copyright infringement. 3. The govt wants twitter to comply on removing content and users critical of govt policies. [1] https://indianexpress.com/article/india/manipulate…

Can you imagine the Department of Justice declaring Twitter to be no longer protected under section 230, after flagging Trump's tweets? This feels so, so wrong.

The US DoJ couldn't do that because Section 230 in the US is different from Section 79 in India. In particular, India's Section 79 includes the clause:

The provisions of sub-section (1) [the liability shield] shall apply if— ... (b) the intermediary does not— ... (iii) select or modify the information contained in the transmission;

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by alex_smart »

I do not necessarily have a problem with social media websites setting their own moderation policies, but for a long time it has been clear that twitter's actions in India are far from politically neutral.

I also find it funny that Americans who have raised so much noise over last few years about Russians "hacking" their elections consider another country's government trying to limit or regulate an American company's attempts to influence domestic politics as an authoritarian attack on free speech.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by alex_smart »

potamic wrote: post #37

I don't know if many people realize, but this is a pivotal moment for freedom of speech in India. The archaic IT act and National Security Act are already being severely abused to arrest journalists and activists, and the new 2021 rules take this to a completely new level. What they are essentially going for is unrestricted authority on content takedown and traceability of originator of content which will force compa…

>Today, saying that cow dung does not cure covid, can land you in jail because it goes against the government's narrative.

I overall agree with the point that many indian authorities have been using laws to punish dissent, but that is a little disingenuous. The specific context in that case was that those comments were made about the death of a BJP leader. So, those people were jailed for mocking the death of a politician, not for merely saying that cowdung does not cure covid.

I mean, the reality is bad enough as it is. There is no need to exaggerate.

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