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Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by coldcode »

wtmt wrote: post #11

This is an ongoing tussle with the very legality of these rules being questioned. It's too soon to say what "lost liability protection" actually means. Twitter's responses (or lack thereof) have been a pain to deal with for the government. What's not clear to me is who will be held responsible on the part of Twitter for any complaints. Earlier, Twitter had provided a local contact, which was that of a lawyer, as the…

No one in their right mind would take a position that could get them imprisoned, especially when the government is highly likely to do so.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by xfer »

zerop wrote: post #4

>> The move comes as tension escalates between the Indian government and Twitter. Google, Facebook, and several other firms have partially or fully complied with the IT rules, which among other things, requires any significant social media firm (any firm with over 5 million users in India) to appoint a chief compliant officer, a resident grievance officer, and a so-called nodal contact person to address on-ground con…

Why should they comply with traceability law? Signal/whatsapp are also not compliant. Very weird seeing people supporting these draconian regulations.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by ALittleLight »

zerop wrote: post #6
sidjor wrote: post #2

They should just shut their dev center in India and ask staff to relocate. The government can easily block them, but the optics of that would not look right. So this whole play around law and regulations.

What it has to do with dev center? Their work is for global twitter platform.

But if they are within India they would be vulnerable to Indian law enforcement.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by kumarvvr »

kranner wrote: post #35
naruvimama wrote: post #8

Twitter is put on par with newspapers, because they do gatekeeping and have accepted bias. Twitter can not have the cake and eat it too. There is nothing sinister just the laws kicking in. You wouldn't want google manipulating search results and then claim to be neutral.

Twitter is neither a news website nor a search engine. The only sinister thing here is that, as the article mentions, the Government wants Twitter to reveal the IP addresses of specific users and Twitter is refusing to do so. Also Twitter is marking fake news spread by Government ministers and functionaries as manipulated media. Another issue that the article doesn't mention is that the Government is pushing users to…

Unfortunately, it acts as both in many instances.

User profiling and data mining, coupled with corporate interest to keep users on the site as long as possible, leads to slow but firm biasing. Search results are not objective, but subjective based on the user history and profile.

On the flip end, it is not a news site, but a massive distributor of news items. So it does act as a newspaper, because people consume large amounts of news from it.

Is it a news site, yes. Does it have mechanisms of editorial policy or checks and balances? Not that I can see.

Is it a search engine. Yes. Is it unbiased as a search engine, no.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by addicted »

addicted wrote: post #40
naruvimama wrote: post #8

Twitter is put on par with newspapers, because they do gatekeeping and have accepted bias. Twitter can not have the cake and eat it too. There is nothing sinister just the laws kicking in. You wouldn't want google manipulating search results and then claim to be neutral.

> There is nothing sinister just the laws kicking in. I’m not sure I understand how the fact that something is enshrined in law means it’s not sinister. In fact, the fact that anti democratic or government strengthening actions are enshrined in law makes it more worrisome rather than less.

> In a court filing on Monday, New Delhi said Twitter has lost its immunity in India after the American social network failed to comply with the new local IT rules, which were unveiled in February and went into effect in late May.

This is even more worrying when the “laws kicking in” are laws the government passed unilaterally without discussion a couple of months ago precisely to prevent dissent on social media.

Further, let’s not ignore the elephant in the room. This is a government that has been absolutely pathetic when it comes to competent law making, whether you’re talking about demonetization, GST, or article 370 (which even if you may agree with the action on principle, the execution of which is an absolute sad joke, where the government has unnecessarily imprisoned the people of a state in their own homes for almost 2 years because they had absolutely no plan, and are now looking for a face saving way of backtracking from their actions).

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by kumarvvr »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #18
naruvimama wrote: post #8

Twitter is put on par with newspapers, because they do gatekeeping and have accepted bias. Twitter can not have the cake and eat it too. There is nothing sinister just the laws kicking in. You wouldn't want google manipulating search results and then claim to be neutral.

Does google claim to be neutral? Does twitter? Why should the attempt to remove some harmful content from their platform create a requirement to be absolutely perfect at doing so? Was there any doubt that twitter had the technical capabilities to remove some tweets? If you ever help a person, are you then required to help any other person in the same situation? What's the outcome you want? Do you believe it's possibl…

They do. In testimony afyer testimony, they swear they are neutral and only censor illegal materials like trafficking or porn.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by kumarvvr »

xfer wrote: post #42
zerop wrote: post #4

>> The move comes as tension escalates between the Indian government and Twitter. Google, Facebook, and several other firms have partially or fully complied with the IT rules, which among other things, requires any significant social media firm (any firm with over 5 million users in India) to appoint a chief compliant officer, a resident grievance officer, and a so-called nodal contact person to address on-ground con…

Why should they comply with traceability law? Signal/whatsapp are also not compliant. Very weird seeing people supporting these draconian regulations.

Can you explain what the traceability law is?

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by xfer »

kumarvvr wrote: post #48
xfer wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should they comply with traceability law? Signal/whatsapp are also not compliant. Very weird seeing people supporting these draconian regulations.

Can you explain what the traceability law is?

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/06/why-indian-courts-shou...

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Post by kumarvvr »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #24

in india at least there is a saying "you are doing this on your own responsibility". and this relates to an employee going for a job or doing something weird or students applying for college. what this means is, twitter is supposed to be responsible for their inability to cooperate with the crony government and any action they would be taking.

Why is a government elected through due process, with free and fair elections a "crony" govt.

I can understand ones hate for the policies of a govt, but this is absurd.

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