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Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

how would one even sort search results without bias?

By returning the best match to a search first… second one second…

Defining best is a biased process. Is cost or quality more important? There is no objective criteria for such judgments it’s all based on personal bias.

So Google favoring low latency responses is saying latency (cost) matters when people browsing may not care.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Twitter is put on par with newspapers, because they do gatekeeping and have accepted bias. Twitter can not have the cake and eat it too. There is nothing sinister just the laws kicking in. You wouldn't want google manipulating search results and then claim to be neutral.

Nothing sinister when demagogues want to shut down the free press to cement their own power?

Twitter is the complete opposite of "the free press".

Twitter's admins arbitrarily remove content that they disagree with, while allowing content they do agree with, regardless of whether said content is illegal or not.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Twitter is put on par with newspapers, because they do gatekeeping and have accepted bias. Twitter can not have the cake and eat it too. There is nothing sinister just the laws kicking in. You wouldn't want google manipulating search results and then claim to be neutral.

> You wouldn't want google manipulating search results and then claim to be neutral. Isn't ranking a manipulation? Not sure what you mean by this.

I think it's clear from the context that OP was referring to manipulation based on ideological biases tainting search results, versus, mnipulation (ranking) based on relavence of search.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Twitter is put on par with newspapers, because they do gatekeeping and have accepted bias. Twitter can not have the cake and eat it too. There is nothing sinister just the laws kicking in. You wouldn't want google manipulating search results and then claim to be neutral.

Twitter is neither a news website nor a search engine.

The only sinister thing here is that, as the article mentions, the Government wants Twitter to reveal the IP addresses of specific users and Twitter is refusing to do so. Also Twitter is marking fake news spread by Government ministers and functionaries as manipulated media.

Another issue that the article doesn't mention is that the Government is pushing users towards Koo, a private alternative to Twitter that is by all accounts extremely aligned with the Government's political and religious views.

It's another step towards replicating the Great Firewall.

Edit: corrected "fake users" to "fake news"

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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The article misses some more context. 1. The escalation intensified after tweets by prominent ministers and fucntionaries of the ruling government were marked as "manipulated media" 2. The IT Ministers and opposition partys accounts were locked for copyright infringement. 3. The govt wants twitter to comply on removing content and users critical of govt policies. [1] https://indianexpress.com/article/india/manipulate…

There is also the context that Twitter refused to remove blatantly false and deliberately incendiary tweets during the farmers' protests in which the Red Fort was breached similar to the Capitol Hill riots. Also, more recently, Twitter has refused to remove clearly manipulated media intended to inflame Hindu-Muslim communal riots.

Somehow this does not register well with free speech enthusiasts. As much as twitter removes or labels one set of media, it also refuses to remove or label another set of media.

It is unfortunate that what is true and false has devolved into the hands of global corporates, whose interests and ideology is often different from the environment it operates in.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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I don't know if many people realize, but this is a pivotal moment for freedom of speech in India. The archaic IT act and National Security Act are already being severely abused to arrest journalists and activists, and the new 2021 rules take this to a completely new level. What they are essentially going for is unrestricted authority on content takedown and traceability of originator of content which will force companies to verify individuals. This will spell the end of anonymous access to social media heralding a new era of China-like levels of censorship.

Today, saying that cow dung does not cure covid, can land you in jail because it goes against the government's narrative. I can't even imagine of the things to come.

https://theprint.in/india/journalist-activist-jailed-under-n...

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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post #12

Twitter is put on par with newspapers, because they do gatekeeping and have accepted bias. Twitter can not have the cake and eat it too. There is nothing sinister just the laws kicking in. You wouldn't want google manipulating search results and then claim to be neutral.

> You wouldn't want google manipulating search results and then claim to be neutral. But Google does manipulate search results, so ostensibly they should also be put on par with newspapers? examples: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27477797 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13274753 edit: Also your comment misleads on what the article reports. Twitter has not lost safe harbor because "they do gatekeeping and…

To characterize appointment of a legal compliance officer as "staffing requirements" is wrong. It makes it seem like India is forcing Twitter to hire local people.

If you are a global MNC with multi billion dollar valuation, and want to operate in a market that has a billion potential users, it is only fair that the company has a local presence.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Twitter is put on par with newspapers, because they do gatekeeping and have accepted bias. Twitter can not have the cake and eat it too. There is nothing sinister just the laws kicking in. You wouldn't want google manipulating search results and then claim to be neutral.

Yo Mouli you have zero understanding of how google works dude.

You do not sign T&C with your newspapers do you?

It is extremely sinister that you think a govt has any business curating & culling criticism of its policies or fallacies. That's literally a civil liberty which most politicians in India are rarely aware of unless taught a lesson by the courts.

Re: Twitter has lost liability protection in India, government says

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Twitter is put on par with newspapers, because they do gatekeeping and have accepted bias. Twitter can not have the cake and eat it too. There is nothing sinister just the laws kicking in. You wouldn't want google manipulating search results and then claim to be neutral.

> There is nothing sinister just the laws kicking in.

I’m not sure I understand how the fact that something is enshrined in law means it’s not sinister. In fact, the fact that anti democratic or government strengthening actions are enshrined in law makes it more worrisome rather than less.

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