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OSSU: Path to a free, self-taught education in computer science

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Re: OSSU: Path to a free, self-taught education in computer science

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Nand2Tetris and Roughgarden, looks like an excellent syllabus tbh. Unfortunately it's pretty worthless without a paper degree. It's cool that Finland is now having open online registration for Finnish citizens to do online courses like https://fullstackopen.com/en/ It's a shame something like that doesn't exist in every country.

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Re: OSSU: Path to a free, self-taught education in computer science

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Do you actually get a degree at the end? Or is it a lot of work that you put in which will be ignored by recruiters that "just get too many applications" and filter by college education?

Is a CS degree important nowadays? I do have one, but literally no one mentioned or asked about my education during an interview, ever.

1. They didn't ask in the interview because you are not going to say something surprising about your degree. They already know you have it and have made their inferences from it. There is no need for further discussions

2. The problem isn't the interview, people can show their knowledge in an interview. Problem is getting the interview.

Re: OSSU: Path to a free, self-taught education in computer science

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post #28

Do you actually get a degree at the end? Or is it a lot of work that you put in which will be ignored by recruiters that "just get too many applications" and filter by college education?

Is a CS degree important nowadays? I do have one, but literally no one mentioned or asked about my education during an interview, ever.

In the (UK) developer job ads there is usually something along the lines of "a degree in computer science or relevant experience". Based on my experience I am guessing that this only matters for the purposes of getting through the recruiter / HR gatekeeper filter - once your actual tech chops are being considered no one cares, in fact not having a CS degree may well be to your advantage (CS does not teach you how to become a good software engineer, nor does it teach you the soft skills).

That said, without the CS education (formal or otherwise) some fields of work will be inaccessible but I think these are in the minority.

Re: OSSU: Path to a free, self-taught education in computer science

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A lot of comments are dismissing this because it doesn't provide a credential upon completion. But you don't get mad at a hammer for not putting staples in paper, nor get mad at a stapler for not putting nails in wood. This is a tool that gives empowers you to educate yourself, not a tool that gives you a credential.

As someone with a deep love of learning and knowledge, I am delighted that this exists.

Re: OSSU: Path to a free, self-taught education in computer science

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You can't call yourself a computer scientist by doing self taught education. That's the biggest problem with it

very much true. better computer scientist needs interaction with other people, needs to learn to respect their views or at least understand them, evaluate. perhaps needs to meet other scientists. to exchange ideas and approaches. this is what schools and academia is for. this whole self-taught thing is a time-bomb. we already have too many self-taught engineers, architects and what-nots who can only work with themsel…

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Re: OSSU: Path to a free, self-taught education in computer science

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A lot of comments are dismissing this because it doesn't provide a credential upon completion. But you don't get mad at a hammer for not putting staples in paper, nor get mad at a stapler for not putting nails in wood. This is a tool that gives empowers you to educate yourself, not a tool that gives you a credential. As someone with a deep love of learning and knowledge, I am delighted that this exists.

I think the reason fo this emphasis is that there are already plenty of resources for self-learning CS. Indeed a lot of the mainstream universities make their course materials available. The bit that is not typically available is the credential, so if we truly want to disrupt the edcuation model then that's the bit that needs to be solved.

Re: OSSU: Path to a free, self-taught education in computer science

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Yes alienation from the academic community

Who cares? The academic community is often alienating everybody who is not in academia, degree or not. And where it isn't, it doesn't care if you have a degree or not.

The hard truth is that there isn't much "science" in most computer "science" jobs. The world needs brick layers too. Nothing wrong with that as such, but confusing computer scientists with programming workers is one of the root causes for the software mess these days.

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Why does that matter? Think of this from the perspective of a bootcamp grad working in tech, for example. That person might want to complement their practical skills with theoretical knowledge and deeper understanding. That understanding can help them hone their skills and develop professionally as an engineer. There are lots of people for whom this content is very valuable. Many of those people don't necessarily car…

What is in CS that makes it a field that can be self taught? Can you become a self taught physicist? I think you can't. Then what is the difference between studies in CS and physics?

Lack of specialist equipment required. You can absolutely become a self-taught physicist, although IMO physics much more difficult than CS.
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