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Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

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Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

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Apple and Google need to give people a chance to manage their own data.

iCloud is a tool that lets my parents just that. This means I don't have to do it for them and no one has to worry about losing years of photographs due to a device failure.

edit: I guess my point is that different people have different computer skills and I think it's great that the tools now exist so people on the lower end of that spectrum can sort this out themselves without having to ask for help.

Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

#112
I thought it was pretty well known that nothing stored on iCloud is encrypted.

It’s encrypted on your iPhone, but once it leaves your iPhone it becomes unencrypted once stored in iCloud.

This is also why they can comply with law enforcement requests.

Now, someone may argue that “only Apple can unlock it” if indeed there is any protection at all.

https://fortune.com/2020/01/21/apple-icloud-encryption-law-e...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...

Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

#113

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It does seem likely that Google will pay to store every bit of encrypted customer data that is currently stored forever because potentially decades from now it could be cracked and they could access all that amazing ancient private information.

This sentiment seems so weird to me. Can you point to a single enterprise offering where Google is collecting data and using it themselves? Or where it would even make sense to do so? Corporate customers pay a lot more per byte than the fleeting value of private data so Google has a strong incentive to never ever touch that data.

Peter's comment comes off as satire to me. A joke about how absurd it would be for google to store 8 exabytes of data for decades because it might one day be useful.

Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

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Petagrams (Pg) is commonly used in climate science. I always wondered why they don’t write it as Gt instead. But gigalitre? Surely, calling them cubic kilometres (edit: should be hm³, see followup comments) would be preferable?

One of my favourite SI units that is used in climate science is the Sverdrup, often used to describe oceanic or river flows, which is a million cubic metres per second, or one cubic hectometer per second. (1) (1) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverdrup

Non-SI according to Wikipedia, but yeah …

Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

#115

Wow! It's amazing that with so much data yet Apple still finds it cheaper to store on public clouds instead of building its own storage.

Apple finally realized they weren’t very good at hosting stuff. They never were.

Plus, it’s a no brainer leveraging Google and AWS. Their global footprint and expertise alone is worth it. Also, $300 million a year is a drop in the bucket to Apple’s bottom line. They probably make that alone from the millions of adapters they sell each year.

Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

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post #86

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It does seem likely that Google will pay to store every bit of encrypted customer data that is currently stored forever because potentially decades from now it could be cracked and they could access all that amazing ancient private information.

I don't think that is really the point that was being made. As you say the practical chances of google storing this data for x years, then committing corporate suicide by decrypting it is are miniscule (and presumably apple agrees). The point is that there are layers of security, and by moving the data outside of their physical control apple has given up one of those layers of security.

I'm not sure why people are are thinking in such a limited fashion. Google is effectively holding onto the data for the US government or whoever else has the capability to access all that data in the future. This is the kind of stuff authoritarian governments dream about. And I'm not saying Google is doing it intentionally, just that they're holding onto the data at all and at some point there will be somebody who will make use of that data.

Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

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Nope, its Apple servers. User devices don’t connect directly to Google

This is not entirely true. Additionally Apple proxies traffic to GCP but key management still resides on user devices.

> This is not entirely true

You mean user devices may connect directly to Google storage? Did you observe it connecting to IPs in Google owned ASNs?

Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

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8M terabytes isn't a big number tho. 1TB/person is fairly common these days and Apple has like 900M+ users.

I would say the family 200GB plan is the most common and also I have to say still its way less paying people than I thought it would be.

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Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

#119
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that is really the point that was being made. As you say the practical chances of google storing this data for x years, then committing corporate suicide by decrypting it is are miniscule (and presumably apple agrees). The point is that there are layers of security, and by moving the data outside of their physical control apple has given up one of those layers of security.

I'm not sure why people are are thinking in such a limited fashion. Google is effectively holding onto the data for the US government or whoever else has the capability to access all that data in the future. This is the kind of stuff authoritarian governments dream about. And I'm not saying Google is doing it intentionally, just that they're holding onto the data at all and at some point there will be somebody who wi…

If that is the argument, does it matter whether it is Apple or Google who is holding the physical data? Apple and Google are both based in the US and beholden to the US government, so from the government's perspective it's just a change of address when they send out a warrant.

Re: Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data on Google Servers

#120

Barbarians at the gate, Google and Amazon slurp it all up eventually. How's those big ones feel inside your budget, Apple.

Flip side. You have no idea if google is actually making a profit on this workload. It might literally be cheaper for apple to use GCP for storage here than doing it themselves.

both are likely true
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