70% of respondents say quality of life in San Francisco has declined • Hacker News Board

Re: 70% of respondents say quality of life in San Francisco has declined

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Post by geofft » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:00 AM UTC

adjkant wrote: post #6

Dupe of: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27724699

Both are posted by relatively new accounts (green usernames). This one's most recent comment is shallow complaining about diversity/equity/enclusion. The previous one is named "FreeSpeech" and linked in the comments to a post about Soros.

People are pushing an agenda on you.

Sam Altman himself has now started saying that if the facts don't match his feelings, we need to look harder until we find facts that do: https://twitter.com/sama/status/1410251675395264517

I remember a time when hackers - real hackers - valued truth, wherever it took them. But a funny thing about the truth is that it doesn't tend to suit the rich.

Re: 70% of respondents say quality of life in San Francisco has declined

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Post by arcticbull » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:02 AM UTC

ToJans wrote: post #4

SCUSKU wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Money

... and/or Stockholm syndrome? Addendum/update: Also, this context seems to share a lot of similarities with the rise and fall of the now abandoned ghost towns that emerged during gold mining, or am I the only one making this association?

There’s definitely an element of frog boiling but I also think the jolt of the pandemic forced people to reevaluate their situations.

Re: 70% of respondents say quality of life in San Francisco has declined

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Post by bifrost » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:03 AM UTC

As an SF native, I can absolutely corroborate this.

Its never been as bad as it has in the last 5 years.

The Poopocalypse started under Gavin in 2003 and has continually gotten far worse. The new DA has made it 10x worse.

Re: 70% of respondents say quality of life in San Francisco has declined

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Post by gumby » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:04 AM UTC

ToJans wrote: post #4

SCUSKU wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Money

... and/or Stockholm syndrome? Addendum/update: Also, this context seems to share a lot of similarities with the rise and fall of the now abandoned ghost towns that emerged during gold mining, or am I the only one making this association?

BTW SF was itself a gold rush town, and its tolerance for weirdness* is often attributed to that.

* said tolerance for weirdness has seriously declined over the last couple of decades as people moved in for reasons other than that variety.

Re: 70% of respondents say quality of life in San Francisco has declined

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Re: 70% of respondents say quality of life in San Francisco has declined

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Post by bpodgursky » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:06 AM UTC

bluefirebrand wrote: post #10

ztratar wrote: post #2

As a former resident, I'd be curious how the 30% who haven't had a decline in quality of life... live? How are they avoiding all of the change?

People with enough money are able to insulate themselves from society's problems pretty thoroughly

I'd split it 15% too bought into the narrative and unwilling to admit failure, and 15% retirees living in sunset who never make it downtown.

Re: 70% of respondents say quality of life in San Francisco has declined

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Post by forgingahead » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:07 AM UTC

As usual, elections have consequences, and while people generally agree the new DA has a lot to do with the decline (not prosecuting crimes etc), few are questioning the ideology that led to his election, and the principles underpinning this way of "governance".

The sad part is plenty of people are happy to move, the privilege of mobility, to get away from the madness of SF, but will happily vote in similar ways in the next place they set up shop in. And thus the cycle will continue. It can only stop if there is a proper reflection on how and why this state of affairs was allowed to happen, and with changed actions in the future.

Re: 70% of respondents say quality of life in San Francisco has declined

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Post by growup12345 » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:08 AM UTC

> 76% said increasing the number of police officers in high-crime neighborhoods should be a priority.

In a single sentence makes it clear as day.

Re: 70% of respondents say quality of life in San Francisco has declined

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Post by bostonsre » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:08 AM UTC

ToJans wrote: post #4

SCUSKU wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Money

... and/or Stockholm syndrome? Addendum/update: Also, this context seems to share a lot of similarities with the rise and fall of the now abandoned ghost towns that emerged during gold mining, or am I the only one making this association?

I'm not sure about the numbers but I would guess that the sf evacuation is worse than the rest of the valley. It's just from what I've heard and not sure about how well it holds true for everyone that has left but have heard that people mainly lived there for convenience to be close to work or because they liked having fun at bars and stuff. Bars are tame now and this probably sounds bad but it's become more sketchy with the large homeless population in some areas and some areas are an open restroom and not sure of anyone that wants to live in an area like that. I'm not sure how to properly help the homeless population but the current status quo doesn't seem tenable.

Re: 70% of respondents say quality of life in San Francisco has declined

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Post by ideamotor » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 5:10 AM UTC

As an outsider who visits yearly it seems like an opportunity to me. Of course the last time I visited was 2019. I’m in the odd position of not knowing what my job will be in specifically six months, and I know I can find something there. Time will tell, my wife’s job is where I am right now. It’s something I’ve never been able to do and always wanted, and I think I can manage it financially now. I should probably rent for a year and see what it’s really like, shouldn’t I?