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What are the odds we are living in a computer simulation? (2016)

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Re: What are the odds we are living in a computer simulation? (2016)

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Maybe but if there's no way for information to move in and out, what does it matter? It just ends up being one more turtle on the bottom of the stack.

Our simulations have sandbox escape bugs, maybe this one has some too. What if we're stretching the edge cases with quantum computers, using computing resources from outside our sandbox?

Re: What are the odds we are living in a computer simulation? (2016)

#92

Unknowable. And no, you'll have no way to break out of simulation and access api of the simulator, because if it's in place it works similarly to this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xP5-iIeKXE8

Not necessarily, there might be bugs in it.

Sure, because gods that made math are known to be crappy developers. ;-)

Re: What are the odds we are living in a computer simulation? (2016)

#93

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Not necessarily, there might be bugs in it.

Sure, because gods that made math are known to be crappy developers. ;-)

You don't need to be crappy to make something that isn't perfect, maybe it's not even possible to prove that something extremely complicated like the universe is bug-free.

Obviously though it might be a matter of perspective, we might as well be gods compared to ants, our code might be buggy but I don't think ants are smart enough to figure that out.

Re: What are the odds we are living in a computer simulation? (2016)

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I’ve had a reoccurring dream since childhood about our universe being a B+ assignment in an extraterrestrial middle school classroom and that in effect I’m a npc in that effort. Whenever this subject comes up I’m always a bit interested but it seems like an impossible thing to know.

“Extraterrestrial” somehow implies that they would live in the same universe as us, doesn’t it?

That’s a great point, “other worldly” would have been a better use of words.

Re: What are the odds we are living in a computer simulation? (2016)

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I'm actually with you. I was trying to make a clever remark. I find it entertaining that ancient occult symbolism of your definition (1/0, singularity/infinity) to be the resulting mathematical foundation of modern computing, though. Personally, I think the discussion of "is it a simulation" is just getting into the mechanics again and is only held to be defining of reality by hardened materialists. I mean, that is j…

Or if we represent G-d's eternal delight in cheeseburgers (irony intended) to the point he creates the universe just to experience such delight recursively. His quest to taste the infinite cheeseburger (which we experience as a bitflip in some n-dimensional cosmic diner.)

Bingo bango, all of existence is one infinite orgasm.

Re: What are the odds we are living in a computer simulation? (2016)

#96

It's hard to square Lorentz invariance with any kind of discrete approximation in either time or space.

Could you expand on this? The Planck length and time would seem to be such discretizations.

It’s not so clear what those mean. Particularly if Lorenz invariance is really true, what is a planck length in your reference frame could be 10 planck lengths or 10^20 planck lengths in your reference frame.

Re: What are the odds we are living in a computer simulation? (2016)

#97

Does the resulting simulation (this universe) show any hints that it is nearly impossible for the theoretical hosting universe to exist?

Well yes, since you said hints and not absolute proof. Using QMC (Quantum Monte Carlo) we can show that quantized gravitational responses underpinning certain bosonic systems make the computational demands for simulating them exponentially intractable, to the point it's not clear how they could be simulated not just in practice but in theory.

Ok, then that's enough for me to say: So far as we can reasonably tell right now, no, we do not live in a simulation.

Re: What are the odds we are living in a computer simulation? (2016)

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Phooey. Turtles then. Because that simulator runner would also have a simulator runner, and so on. Let's leave the cultural baggage of self-existent platonic forms for ultimate power at the door, it's an ultimately overtrod path of philosophical inquiry. If you constitutionally can't leave it at the door, read David Brin's crystal spheres (and enjoy!).

Wasn't Crystal Spheres about the Fermi Paradox, not the Prime Mover Paradox?

You are very correct! I believe I mixed it up with Stones of Significance. Thank you for the correction.

Re: What are the odds we are living in a computer simulation? (2016)

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Lorentz invariance is incredible however we square it

‘Incredible’ as in you don’t believe it? (E.g. ‘double-special’ relativity?)

Sorry, no, I meant incredible as in stupendous, amazing

Similarly, the uniformity of background radiation, and many other phenomena. But yes Lorentz invariance is a good one to mention!

Re: What are the odds we are living in a computer simulation? (2016)

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Sure, because gods that made math are known to be crappy developers. ;-)

You don't need to be crappy to make something that isn't perfect, maybe it's not even possible to prove that something extremely complicated like the universe is bug-free. Obviously though it might be a matter of perspective, we might as well be gods compared to ants, our code might be buggy but I don't think ants are smart enough to figure that out.

Complexity of the universe comes from super simple (relatively for gods) rules of math.

You don't have bugs in math.

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