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I mean, you could listen to samveda chants from different parts of India and see the pronunciations are very audibly different... Your kind of hot take about Sanskrit is somewhat common.
I once went to a wedding involving academic linguists and Hindu prayers. A Hindu priest chanted a prayer in Sanskrit and then an academic linguist followed up by chanting the same prayer with his view of what it would have anciently sounded like. Notwithstanding the priest's own view of his Sanskrit as an ancient language, his pronunciation didn't match up with the academic linguist's view of the historical pronuncia…
What did ancient languages sound like?
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Re: What did ancient languages sound like?
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
How fossilized? While it is not used as an everyday language, there is a yet growing library of literature, and vigorous philosophical debate that happens in Samskruta. BTW, an unrelated rant, the other thing that grinds on me is that the Ganga river is ALWAYS referred as Ganges (another anglicization)! Ganga is easier to pronounce, so why did that get anglicized, I wonder?
if that'd peace your mind, we call it "Gang" in Russia. But I wouldn't be surprised that it came from greek too, most greek words lost their endings when loaned to Russian
In Greek we have adopted many Turkish words and we always stick an "-i" at the end. For example, "passoumi" (a kind of footwear, "passoum" in Turkish), "briki" (for making coffee, "brik" in Turkish), "ati" (horse, "at" in Turkish) etc. I think we've also taken some Slavic words and treated them this way, for example "boureki" (borek, dumpling), kokoretsi ("kokorec") and probably others I can't think of now.
Re: What did ancient languages sound like?
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Al- most likely got lost in Arabic due to being reanalyzed as a determiner instead of as part of the name.
For the Greeks, it even had an intelligible meaning https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%80%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BE%C... I think the a- in the al- in Alexander is supposed to be the alpha privative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_privative like our "ward off " or something.
Also, wikipedia says this about alpha privative:
>> It is derived from a Proto-Indo-European syllabic nasal n̥-, the zero ablaut grade of the negation ne, i.e. /n/ used as a vowel.
But the wiktionary article says this about αλέξω:
From Proto-Hellenic aléksō (“to protect”), from Proto-Indo-European h₂lek- (“to defend”) (...)
Note the difference between "n̥" and "h₂". I don't even know what those are, but they seem different enough that they may be ... different?
Re: What did ancient languages sound like?
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
I once went to a wedding involving academic linguists and Hindu prayers. A Hindu priest chanted a prayer in Sanskrit and then an academic linguist followed up by chanting the same prayer with his view of what it would have anciently sounded like. Notwithstanding the priest's own view of his Sanskrit as an ancient language, his pronunciation didn't match up with the academic linguist's view of the historical pronuncia…
"There are no more Romans to correct your speech"?
Re: What did ancient languages sound like?
#135Re: What did ancient languages sound like?
#136You mean “What did ancient European languages sound like” perhaps? I would submit that Samskruta (NOT the anclicised Sanskrit) sounds exactly like how it did in ancient times. How come there is no discussion of that at all?
And regular people didn't speak sanskrit in classical age. They spoke regional languages like Prakrit and Pali.
Re: What did ancient languages sound like?
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Vedic ळ There is strong evidence that the ळ came from Substratum languages (Dravidian or Munda) and many Indo-Aryan languages still retain it e.g. Marathi, Gujarati.
Yes but it's still present in Vedic, literally in the second word of rgveda 1.1.1.
Re: What did ancient languages sound like?
#138You mean “What did ancient European languages sound like” perhaps? I would submit that Samskruta (NOT the anclicised Sanskrit) sounds exactly like how it did in ancient times. How come there is no discussion of that at all?
The reason there's no discussion about Samskruta is that all the scholars of संस्कृतम are in India and most of the University departments lack the cultural and linguistic nuances that are needed to learn संस्कृतम. Unless Indians come and share their research with the world, there won't be any discussion on it. I also think this is so because the prevalent narrative is post colonial in nature and the (English) Interne…
Re: What did ancient languages sound like?
#139My favorite linguistic/sound story is this: In 1878, a student called Ferdinand de Saussure proposed that PIE had only one vowel sound "e", and that all other vowel sounds in PIE languages came that single sound. How? He proposed that all other vowels came through a consonant "colouring" the original vowel "e". For example, the usage of e + w in words gave birth to the sound "u". But this doesn't explain root words l…
The catch is that so-called laryngeals where they reflect in Hittite with Cuniform Characters like Ha and similar only in front of a word and only for two of three or more, meaning there is still no direct evidence of * paXs, or peh2s-, ph2es- depending on voewl length, modulo accentuation. Ah yeah, there are mostly three now.
Re: What did ancient languages sound like?
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Knowing Russian, Lithuanian and bits of Polish I would also add that it's amazing how lithuanian is very similar to slavic languages in grammar structure but radically different phonetically. I.e. a direct translation, word to word, works (with some style issues), but it's hard to recognize the sentence when pronounced. This makes me wonder how sanscrit sounds... Also, the language is quite complex, probably more com…
I find the rhythm/meter is very Romance-like but without identifying with any one specific Romance-speaking region, the phonetics vaguely remind me of Brazilian Portuguese.