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After pressuring telecom firms, Myanmar's junta bans executives from leaving

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Re: After pressuring telecom firms, Myanmar's junta bans executives from leaving

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The world needs to act on Myanmar’s military coup - democratically elected leaders need to be restored and mass scale human rights abuses stopped, or it will descend into a failed state with tens of millions affected.

It looks like Russia (and China) are vetoing any UN action. What are the alternatives?

Re: After pressuring telecom firms, Myanmar's junta bans executives from leaving

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I wonder how international companies handle this. Sneaking them out of the country would obviously be in breach of local law but may be considered part of their duty to employees (similar to rescuing people stuck in a war zone due to a business trip). Why those executives were in the country is another question.

> Sneaking them out of the country would obviously be in breach of local law

Who the f--k be caring about local law now? Pissant MNC lawyers finding chutzpah to pretend like as if nothing is happening?

There is no law there. It's a military junta. They must snap out of this.

Re: After pressuring telecom firms, Myanmar's junta bans executives from leaving

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post #11

The world needs to act on Myanmar’s military coup - democratically elected leaders need to be restored and mass scale human rights abuses stopped, or it will descend into a failed state with tens of millions affected. It looks like Russia (and China) are vetoing any UN action. What are the alternatives?

1. Pull more countries under resolution 377, to put more pressure on Burma around the security council

2. India pulls 1971 on Burmese junta, if Modi's Achand Bharat brouhaha is worth anything

3. International intervention under resolution 377

4. Surgical strike on the junta leadership without broad UN involvement by somebody brave enough

Re: After pressuring telecom firms, Myanmar's junta bans executives from leaving

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I wonder how international companies handle this. Sneaking them out of the country would obviously be in breach of local law but may be considered part of their duty to employees (similar to rescuing people stuck in a war zone due to a business trip). Why those executives were in the country is another question.

Never underestimate the power of greed to overwhelm any moral questions. Pay people enough and you will find some people will overlook even their own security.

Re: After pressuring telecom firms, Myanmar's junta bans executives from leaving

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I wonder how international companies handle this. Sneaking them out of the country would obviously be in breach of local law but may be considered part of their duty to employees (similar to rescuing people stuck in a war zone due to a business trip). Why those executives were in the country is another question.

Companies don't care about employees. They'll probably pay some hush money and consider matter closed.

Re: After pressuring telecom firms, Myanmar's junta bans executives from leaving

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post #6

Yet it didn't require a travel ban to get similar capabilities implemented for the NSA, GCHQ et al.

The UK and the USA need to be more subtle to sneak past the limits of what is democratically acceptable. A military dictatorship, not so much.

Military dictatorship just cannot afford the media and all the theatre of democracy. If people have 1-3 parties to choose from, they'll vote for one of them, without thinking it's the same thing just different label.

Re: After pressuring telecom firms, Myanmar's junta bans executives from leaving

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post #13
post #11

The world needs to act on Myanmar’s military coup - democratically elected leaders need to be restored and mass scale human rights abuses stopped, or it will descend into a failed state with tens of millions affected. It looks like Russia (and China) are vetoing any UN action. What are the alternatives?

1. Pull more countries under resolution 377, to put more pressure on Burma around the security council 2. India pulls 1971 on Burmese junta, if Modi's Achand Bharat brouhaha is worth anything 3. International intervention under resolution 377 4. Surgical strike on the junta leadership without broad UN involvement by somebody brave enough

> 4. Surgical strike on the junta leadership without broad UN involvement by somebody brave enough

Dear me. I hope not. If you look at a map, Burma is nestled between the two nuclear armed up-and-coming superpowers. This is not the part of the world to be seeking adventure by doing political assassinations on military figures.

That sounds almost like the script before WWI.

Re: After pressuring telecom firms, Myanmar's junta bans executives from leaving

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Pull more countries under resolution 377, to put more pressure on Burma around the security council 2. India pulls 1971 on Burmese junta, if Modi's Achand Bharat brouhaha is worth anything 3. International intervention under resolution 377 4. Surgical strike on the junta leadership without broad UN involvement by somebody brave enough

> 4. Surgical strike on the junta leadership without broad UN involvement by somebody brave enough Dear me. I hope not. If you look at a map, Burma is nestled between the two nuclear armed up-and-coming superpowers. This is not the part of the world to be seeking adventure by doing political assassinations on military figures. That sounds almost like the script before WWI.

> Dear me. I hope not. If you look at a map, Burma is nestled between the two nuclear armed up-and-coming superpowers.

And one of these nuclear power needs to be taught a very good lesson as of late.

Re: After pressuring telecom firms, Myanmar's junta bans executives from leaving

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post #11

The world needs to act on Myanmar’s military coup - democratically elected leaders need to be restored and mass scale human rights abuses stopped, or it will descend into a failed state with tens of millions affected. It looks like Russia (and China) are vetoing any UN action. What are the alternatives?

> It looks like Russia (and China) are vetoing any UN action. What are the alternatives?

There are no alternatives, that is part of the problem. The UN was primarily created to prevent all-out war between the US and Russia... young people like me expect it to be more than that though.

In the past, as a result the US and various European nations have gone off on their own to engage in various conflicts, both in military actions and in economic sanctions, on sometimes extremely thin or nonexistent legal grounds.

That's unrealistic to expect here:

- there isn't much trade between Myanmar and the EU to sanction (and the bit that is can and will be covered by Russia and China)

- military action is out of the question since the US has more pressing problems to solve than a military junta - Taiwan and interior issues - and the EU is blocked by its 100% consensus requirements on foreign action, incompetent and underfunded armies and general instability

- generally, outside of human rights activists no one cares about human rights abuses, that is the sad and tragic reality.

- as for the UN: there isn't any hope for multilateral action any more there either, it's a dead paperweight. No single nation there acts on good faith and a sense of common humanity, everyone is just looking for their own interests.

Re: After pressuring telecom firms, Myanmar's junta bans executives from leaving

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post #11

The world needs to act on Myanmar’s military coup - democratically elected leaders need to be restored and mass scale human rights abuses stopped, or it will descend into a failed state with tens of millions affected. It looks like Russia (and China) are vetoing any UN action. What are the alternatives?

Foreign billionaires adopting some of the military leadership and brokering a peace (piece) ?
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