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World’s largest ever four day week trial in Iceland ‘overwhelming success’

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As a parent, I’m wondering whether a four day work week will carry over to the school week, too. When I was at school (this has stopped since) we had school on Saturday even, for two years. This was not great! Nearly all the arguments I’ve seen pro four hour work week, would also apply to students.

Unfortunately the purpose of school is for parents to have somewhere to store their children when they’re at work, so you can’t have a four-day school week until a four-day workweek is norm.

You can't have a four-day school week until a normalized four-day workweek (everyone off on the same day).

Re: World’s largest ever four day week trial in Iceland ‘overwhelming success’

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One of the lessons of trying to optimize worker productivity, health and happiness during the industrial revolution is that almost any change was an "overwhelming success" during the trial period, because of some combination of (1) a change of routine, (2) placebo effect -- people like the idea that someone is trying to help them and their mood improves accordingly. Might even be true here (it would be nice!), but in…

We've been arguing about the "Hawthorne Effect" since the term was coined.

Re: World’s largest ever four day week trial in Iceland ‘overwhelming success’

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As a parent, I’m wondering whether a four day work week will carry over to the school week, too. When I was at school (this has stopped since) we had school on Saturday even, for two years. This was not great! Nearly all the arguments I’ve seen pro four hour work week, would also apply to students.

If the kids are off school, you have three-day weekends every week to do small trips. If the kids are still at school, parents have an extra day to go out to lunch, run errands, work on side hustles, clean the house, etc. Both are good options.

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It's so weird to me to see people argue against a shorter work week. > I enjoy working 5 days a week, it gives me more time to ... Ok, by all means, keep doing that? If you have this position you are probably already working on the weekend anyway. You can live (thrive, even!) in a society that has a 4 day week and still work 5 days. Go for it. > It'll never happen / It's a pipe dream So was women's rights, civil righ…

> Seems like a slippery slope, what's next, a 3 day week??

I think there is something worth digging in to on this point. These trials are showing that after lowering hours, productivity went up to at least match or exceed previous values.

So the question is raised, what is the optimal amount of time to produce maximum results? If -1 day was an improvement, is -2 days even more of an improvement? Is -0.5 days less of an improvement? What if we rearange this, are less week days but longer days better? Or are shorter days with more week days better?

As well as how long can this be sustained? Workers must be working more and using their time better than before. Is this entirely due to having more free time or is it partially due to the novelty of lower times which will wear off?

I'm all for investigating lower work weeks but I don't think we have really collected all of the info yet. Let the trials continue!

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>> Salaried work is by far the most lenient way to make money. Any other venture: a small business, a startup, an executive position, etc is way harder and more demanding. I've done both and I don't believe I'd agree with making it a generalization. At best, there may be some averages and medians, but it is not a universal statement that "all salaried work is more lenient than all small business / startup work". I've…

> I've done a successful small photography business. It was way way way less stressful, more satisfying than office work Ok, but did it generate more income? How many hours did you tend to work? Averages and medians are quite useful tools when you're analyzing something like a population. I don't think saying that a salaried job tends to be "the most lenient way to make money" is that controversial. Maybe you had a g…

Not to mention sick leave. Paid holidays.

Obviously you charge more to cover those, but the uncertainty/risk is on your side as a freelancer.

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It will be hard to extrapolate the findings to other countries. Iceland has a very different import/export structure by virtue of the the geography, farming and natural resources. This in turn significantly affects the price of certain goods and services, such as restaurants and dining out culture, for example. Ultimately people will have a drastically different basket of consumer goods /desires than in other develop…

This is always the issue with these small pilots around very important issues (UBI being another that comes to mind).

It’s difficult to convey to people just how big the US is in terms of population and geography, and within those two groups how heterogenous it is.

Iceland has the population of a small US city. And 1% of Icelanders participated. This means a few thousand people. You cannot extrapolate any of this to a 350m+ population.

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Like all movements, there's more to it than just the name - don't take it too literally: working for myself is the ultimate goal! And if I ever do find success enough to require employees, I could never imagine asking them to spend 71% of their week thinking about me and my problems. Maybe it's easy to daydream egalitarian - but I think we as a society can do better for each other.

Many of us work 40 hours in 5 days. There are 168 hours in a week. That's 24% of the week, not 71%.

I assume they're excluding sleep, which isn't unreasonable in this discussion.

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You aren't unhappy that someone else doesn't like working, you hate your job and have been trained to think that someone "wants it easier" and thus are a threat Punch UP, not DOWN

I believe using guns to force everyone to make the same salary would lead to economic ruin, as it has everywhere it’s ever been tried. If you allow differences in wealth, then some will accumulate more. Over time, these differences become pronounced. Those with wealth identify new areas to expand their enterprises. They wish to hire the best employees. The employees they consider the best get paid more. And the cycle…

I guess you work in farming? Because that's a whole lot of straw men you got up there.

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I work in a field (military) where "overtime" isn't a thing. We can and do work 24+hour shifts without any extra pay. Even during peacetime, if we need to work 16-hour days every day for a month we can do that without any financial cost. We can also be sent home at noon every day without diminishing our wages a penny. That absolute flexibility does not reduce stress. With no standard office hours we face constant neg…

You're in the military and you can't call "Bill" in for a meeting? This is not how I picture the military. I was under the impression push comes to shove, if your superior says you have to be somewhere, you _will_ be there, regardless of what its for.

Yeah, odd idea.. do they also stop shooting at the enemy at 17:00:01, because "Sorry boss, I'm off the clock?"
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