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San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Can you give me some examples of cultural credentials? San Francisco has a large number of Michelin-rated restaurants. Their clientele are largely insulated from these issues. It also has a large number of independent theatres and performance and exhibition spaces. One of the city’s problems is its elites can live quite well independent of reality on the ground. That’s essential to the political problem, and why cl…
The “elite” part of SF are getting hit all the same - you can’t leave a car parked in pacific heights or cow hollow without risking a break-in. Friends resort to leaving cars unlocked, windows down, just to try and avoid more broken windows or other damage. You can’t really insulate yourself from the situation on the streets you have to walk/drive. Comparatively, NYC has better food and culture scenes. LA has excelle…
> The “elite” part of SF are getting hit all the same
This is key. The bad parts of a lot of cities have these sorts of problems to some degree. What makes San Francisco uniquely bad is that even its "good" parts have them.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that if you are rich, there is very little that SF has that you can't find in any large city or that you can't visit/travel to. But sidewalks filled with feces, public spaces soaked in urine and covered with disposed needles are truly unique. People lying around naked in the streets or walking around without pants or underwear, screaming at the air, dragging blankets around them right in the middle of…
I agree. I don’t live in San Francisco. But assuming some self correction through economic ruin is, in my view, optimistic. The current situation can sustain itself for longer than those comparing San Francisco to Detroit might think.
Tech is already in the cloud. SF workers are already remote. The exit is already under way. The current situation is the definition of unsustainable.
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#94Non-American resident: what’s going on in SF? Is the crime rate really so high, and racing up? And if so, why?
The "data" I found ( https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Fra... ) seems to suggest it's similar to Paris and London, but I can't find hard numbers like: Sam Francisco Crime Rate (per 1,000 residents): Violent 6.91, property 56.73, total 63.64. ( https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime )
The problem here might be that property crimes in SF is being under-reported.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many Amazon packages are stolen from SF doorsteps each day.
In many countries delivery to doorsteps is not a thing (due to risk of theft). You either have to be home or need to pick it up from a post office or from a locker. I wonder why Amazon doesn't install lockers where one can pick up a parcel in cities like SF?
You can do this at Whole Foods and some other locations.
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#96This is counter intuitive. I expected the coming (here?) surveillance state would lower crime in cheaper real estate neighborhoods. Here the opposite is happening, the priciest real estate in the world is becoming more crimeful. I suspect it’s all just theater.
Surveillance doesn't matter without prosecution.
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Guessing that it being normal to wear a mask helps a bit as well. Less worry about being on camera. I would think SF could charge people with more than shoplifting if it's an organized event. California has "Section 490.4 - Organized retail theft" that covers this sort of thing.
> I would think SF could charge people with more than shoplifting if it's an organized event. California has Section 490.4 - Organized retail theft that cover this sort of thing. Could? Certainly. The problem is that Chesa Boudin won't .
Sure. I was pointing out that Prop 47 by itself shouldn't be a barrier.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is your first reaction to any description or decrease in safety to go directly to the phrase "third world country"? Even forgetting the phrase, what you likely mean by it is also not true in all or even most aspects. It's incredibly reductive to use a single category classification of "how nice do I feel something is" for everyone to project on their own ideas how they will. SF can be both having an increase in h…
The tech industry didn't do shit, San Francisco NIMBYs were the ones who refused to build housing causing the price of everything to only be affordable for tech workers. I don't know how you can blame a high paying employer for causing "destabilization". People getting pushed out by gentrification are getting pushed out because there is no new supply of housing but massive new demand for housing.
You need both NIMBY's and a large population influx to cause the core issue here. The tech industry indisputably caused the latter. You also imply some/many tech workers were also not NIMBY's as well, as if these two groups are entirely separate.
Growth is not inherently good, and the tech industry absolutely did not help alleviate the issues NIMBY's helped to cause. There was no reason SF couldn't have gone on being the same size city it was decades before in a healthy way. It takes two to tango here, and I see no reason why we wouldn't blame both. The tech industry chose profits for its own companies over the good of the city.
They had no legal obligation to make any other choice, but maybe if they cared about the city for itself or even the longterm health of the area, if not only in self interest, they would have regulated their own growth. That's just not in line with the philosophy that took root there though, which was growth at all costs. These ideas expand out beyond the tech world it turns out.
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#99Prop 47 and SF's "criminals are oppressed by society" approach to crime are to blame here. You can't get the grunts to roll on the bosses if all you can charge them with is a misdemeanor, and you can't get police to even arrest thieves if the DA refuses to prosecute. This doesn't happen in other big cities like NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc.
Is it happening in other big cities in California? I only see stories about San Francisco.
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#100My gut feeling is that this post is going to be flagged very quickly. It's one of the issues that is dividing America right now and there is no chance a consensus is going to be reached during a discussion on HN. Even though this particular event is new, the phenomenon itself is not, and so far nobody has found a good solution.
I'm not sure I understand. How is the rampant crime wave in SF a matter that divides people? I don't think there's a significant amount of Americans who believe that shoplifting is acceptable, is there?
Have you read this thread? The division isn't about pro-crime vs anti-crime, obviously. It's about blaming people based on their politics, which, while not always wrong in theory, in practice is the most common dividing line and source of hostile noise. E.g. "San Francisco, collectively, is just not that smart" (because of how they vote).