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Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

rsj_hn wrote: post #55
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> San Francisco is set to become the next Detroit This is hyperbole. The Bay Area remains an economic dynamo. San Francisco’s culinary and cultural credentials remain largely untouched. It’s a safe city to be rich around, and that will continue to be the case for the near future. The distinction important. Threatening the city’s economic elite with ruin is a red herring. Contrast that with Detroit, where the city’s e…

The problem is that if you are rich, there is very little that SF has that you can't find in any large city or that you can't visit/travel to. But sidewalks filled with feces, public spaces soaked in urine and covered with disposed needles are truly unique. People lying around naked in the streets or walking around without pants or underwear, screaming at the air, dragging blankets around them right in the middle of…

I agree. I don’t live in San Francisco. But assuming some self correction through economic ruin is, in my view, optimistic. The current situation can sustain itself for longer than those comparing San Francisco to Detroit might think.

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Post by insert_coin »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #19
FreeSpeech wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unbelievable the amount of depravity a single DA can inflict. An unprecedented number of companies and workers are fleeing the city. San Francisco is set to become the next Detroit. What's your exit plan?

> San Francisco is set to become the next Detroit This is hyperbole. The Bay Area remains an economic dynamo. San Francisco’s culinary and cultural credentials remain largely untouched. It’s a safe city to be rich around, and that will continue to be the case for the near future. The distinction important. Threatening the city’s economic elite with ruin is a red herring. Contrast that with Detroit, where the city’s e…

They are literally threatening to split Apple, Amazon, Facebook, Google. Crime is up 1000% and people like you are dismissing it. It is a safe city if you never bother to walk into the city, and the problem is expanding. It won't be a safe city for much longer, or a rich city. There are no restaurants in the world that can change that.

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Post by mcguire »

rich_sasha wrote: post #10

Non-American resident: what’s going on in SF? Is the crime rate really so high, and racing up? And if so, why?

The "data" I found (https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Fra...) seems to suggest it's similar to Paris and London, but I can't find hard numbers like:

Sam Francisco Crime Rate (per 1,000 residents): Violent 6.91, property 56.73, total 63.64. (https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime)

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Post by ww520 »

rich_sasha wrote: post #10

Non-American resident: what’s going on in SF? Is the crime rate really so high, and racing up? And if so, why?

It's high in reality but the politicians deliberately re-classified a large class of crimes to be misdemeanor to skew the statistics, so they can say - look the violent crime stat is down under my watch.

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Post by citrin_ru »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #59
MattGaiser wrote: post #3

Is San Francisco very pro-Amazon or something?

Many Amazon packages are stolen from SF doorsteps each day.

In many countries delivery to doorsteps is not a thing (due to risk of theft). You either have to be home or need to pick it up from a post office or from a locker. I wonder why Amazon doesn't install lockers where one can pick up a parcel in cities like SF?

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Post by PakistaniDenzel »

SavantIdiot wrote: post #33
PakistaniDenzel wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Singapore

You mean the place where you get thrown in prison then caned for tagging? Wow, I'd never want to visit that police state. Sounds like a lovely place. https://www.foxnews.com/world/singapore-sentences-swiss-man-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Fay EDIT: time spent in prison was off by 7 months

There is a law, it was broken and the person was sentenced. I'd rather live in a place that enforces laws rather than one where people run loose, but to each their own I suppose.

Yes I do not live there currently (as you have noticed by my previous comments) but that is where I consider myself "from".

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Post by sbuttgereit »

Also, the Target across the street from us, one of the smaller Target Express concept stores on trial in San Francisco, just shut down permanently last week. The store manager cited crime and the cost of hiring off duty police as security (in addition to normal security personnel) as making the store too expensive to operate. Walgreens closing down smaller stores as well citing the same reason. Driving though our neighborhood and an adjacent neighborhood, during the past couple of weeks and I've seen no fewer than four businesses with glass doors or display windows smashed in.

I read about how this is a conspiracy in reporting, but the businesses are leaving and many storefronts in our neighborhood are empty. I also read how some citizens are trying to shame companies like Walgreens from leaving their neighborhoods... But the blame seems terribly misplaced. A more reflective, thoughtful population might make the connection between the policies they support in being against something and the negative outcomes that arise by not actually being for something that addresses these issues. San Francisco, collectively, is just not that smart

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Post by staticautomatic »

infamouscow wrote: post #41
b9a2cab5 wrote: post #2

Prop 47 and SF's "criminals are oppressed by society" approach to crime are to blame here. You can't get the grunts to roll on the bosses if all you can charge them with is a misdemeanor, and you can't get police to even arrest thieves if the DA refuses to prosecute. This doesn't happen in other big cities like NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc.

I wonder how fast the approach shifts after the people in charge find themselves in a sticky situation with not a single LEO willing to respond.

I’ve lived here for almost 15 years now and I can’t remember the cops ever responding to the shit people are now blaming the DA for.

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Post by adjkant »

hallway_monitor wrote: post #48
Wellrowed wrote: post #38

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I work for a large foreign (but global retailer) with locations in the Bay Area including San Francisco. The bill for our monthly necessary armed security exceeds $20,000 a month. My foreign coworker’s minds were blown that even every starbucks location needs security.

This honestly blows my mind. So SF is basically a third world country now?

Why is your first reaction to any description or decrease in safety to go directly to the phrase "third world country"? Even forgetting the phrase, what you likely mean by it is also not true in all or even most aspects. It's incredibly reductive to use a single category classification of "how nice do I feel something is" for everyone to project on their own ideas how they will.

SF can be both having an increase in homelessness and petty crime at the same time as it maintains a top economy of the US, a big arts scene, many diverse cultures, and more. It's not as simple as "is this a country I would label a bad place".

With that said, SF's latter categories have also slowly eroded, but these symptoms needs to be examined individually. The tech industry did much itself to destabilize SF's arts and culture long before any crime issues. More of a tangent there, but the point is you can't forgo nuance here.

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Post by adjkant »

oneplane wrote: post #68
hallway_monitor wrote: post #48

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This honestly blows my mind. So SF is basically a third world country now?

Isn't that most of the densely populated city in the US in general? Fear, weapons and violence as soon as it gets dense. Every large/chain business comes with lots of armed protection. I haven't travelled to all the cities in the entire US, but whenever you enter/exit such areas is seems very distinct.

Not my experience at all with most cities in the US, as someone who has lived in many and visited far more. I wouldn't categorize NYC, Boston, Chicago, LA, Philly, or DC that way when you're not in literal capitol buildings. I live in one of the densest US cities, take transit all over the place and have felt unsafe maybe one time in the past 3 years. No weapon was involved.
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