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Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by epicureanideal »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #34
epicureanideal wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about those culinary credentials... other large cities have similar amounts of variety and quality, and a lot better parking and less homeless addicts near the restaurants. Can you give me some examples of cultural credentials?

> Can you give me some examples of cultural credentials? San Francisco has a large number of Michelin-rated restaurants. Their clientele are largely insulated from these issues. It also has a large number of independent theatres and performance and exhibition spaces. One of the city’s problems is its elites can live quite well independent of reality on the ground. That’s essential to the political problem, and why cl…

I live nearby and I'm pretty sure I've never eaten at one, despite being able to afford to. I don't think most people select the place they live based on the number of literally Michelin-rated restaurants.

I imagine it's more like, do they have reasonable quality international food with say a dozen national varieties, and if they do, that's probably a checkmark on the food option.

Personally, I'd rather have low crime, clean streets, cheap housing, and a good environment for family formation. Anything else can be found on the weekend, even if that means a car ride or a plane trip.

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by lotsofpulp »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #32
tolbish wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you so sure it will set back police reform? The idea that "the police should be held accountable" and the idea that "the police are necessary and should be funded" are not mutually exclusive.

> Why are you so sure it will set back police reform? The effect is palpable in New York. The current lead candidate is campaigning on a promise of increasing police powers. There was direct campaigning on not letting New York become San Francisco, and keeping the Chesas out of the DA seats.

Maybe Chesa is playing the long game and trying to drive down real estate values to be able to buy at lower prices.

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by adjkant »

josephcsible wrote: post #39
SavantIdiot wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the place where you get thrown in prison then caned for tagging? Wow, I'd never want to visit that police state. Sounds like a lovely place. https://www.foxnews.com/world/singapore-sentences-swiss-man-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Fay EDIT: time spent in prison was off by 7 months

To be clear, "tagging" is vandalism. Also, your source says 5 months, not the 1 year that you claimed.

> To be clear, "tagging" is vandalism.

In NYC we call that art. I just went to a museum exhibit in Boston about graffiti art on public transit in the 80's. Point being, something so benign being that strongly and violently punished does indeed sound crazy to me.

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

standardUser wrote: post #45
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> refuses-to-prosecute Almost like selective enforcement of the law is a step towards tyranny and we’ve know that for hundreds of years.

In the US, the police more than anyone decide who is a criminal and when, and it has always been that way.

In what way is that also not selective enforcement?

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Post by rsj_hn »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #19
FreeSpeech wrote: post #17

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It's unbelievable the amount of depravity a single DA can inflict. An unprecedented number of companies and workers are fleeing the city. San Francisco is set to become the next Detroit. What's your exit plan?

> San Francisco is set to become the next Detroit This is hyperbole. The Bay Area remains an economic dynamo. San Francisco’s culinary and cultural credentials remain largely untouched. It’s a safe city to be rich around, and that will continue to be the case for the near future. The distinction important. Threatening the city’s economic elite with ruin is a red herring. Contrast that with Detroit, where the city’s e…

The problem is that if you are rich, there is very little that SF has that you can't find in any large city or that you can't visit/travel to. But sidewalks filled with feces, public spaces soaked in urine and covered with disposed needles are truly unique. People lying around naked in the streets or walking around without pants or underwear, screaming at the air, dragging blankets around them right in the middle of Columbus avenue by the transamerica building -- that's something that truly distinguishes san francisco and is now what the city is known for. I was in Pabu and saw a man take off his pants and defecate in the flower pots in the public space on california and market. While some wealthy people may not care, I would assume many more want a different dining experience.

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by whoknowswhat11 »

SavantIdiot wrote: post #33
PakistaniDenzel wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Singapore

You mean the place where you get thrown in prison then caned for tagging? Wow, I'd never want to visit that police state. Sounds like a lovely place. https://www.foxnews.com/world/singapore-sentences-swiss-man-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Fay EDIT: time spent in prison was off by 7 months

This is not that scary for folks not vandalizing stuff

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by [deleted] »

epicureanideal wrote: post #51
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can you give me some examples of cultural credentials? San Francisco has a large number of Michelin-rated restaurants. Their clientele are largely insulated from these issues. It also has a large number of independent theatres and performance and exhibition spaces. One of the city’s problems is its elites can live quite well independent of reality on the ground. That’s essential to the political problem, and why cl…

I live nearby and I'm pretty sure I've never eaten at one, despite being able to afford to. I don't think most people select the place they live based on the number of literally Michelin-rated restaurants. I imagine it's more like, do they have reasonable quality international food with say a dozen national varieties, and if they do, that's probably a checkmark on the food option. Personally, I'd rather have low crim…

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Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by nathanaldensr »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #47
rich_sasha wrote: post #10

Non-American resident: what’s going on in SF? Is the crime rate really so high, and racing up? And if so, why?

Here is a really broad, and hopefully neutral, take on the subject. There is now a popular movement in America that believes the Justice System is too harsh, especially on minor crimes. This is also coupled with the perception that police officers are prone to using force when it is unnecessary, and, that they use deadly force way too often and haphazardly. There is also a huge racial component to all of this, which…

I'd personally say "are lawless" rather than "feel lawless."

Re: San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours

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Post by tolbish »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #32
tolbish wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you so sure it will set back police reform? The idea that "the police should be held accountable" and the idea that "the police are necessary and should be funded" are not mutually exclusive.

> Why are you so sure it will set back police reform? The effect is palpable in New York. The current lead candidate is campaigning on a promise of increasing police powers. There was direct campaigning on not letting New York become San Francisco, and keeping the Chesas out of the DA seats.

Not letting New York become San Francisco is not mutually exclusive with police reform. Is the current lead candidate against police accountability/police reform?
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