Related recent discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27724699
SF used to ge a great city.
San Francisco Organized Shoplifting Surge Prompts Target to Cut Operating Hours
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s a really weird political element in San Francisco which claims this reporting is all a conspiracy. While it’s true the violent crime coverage has been misleading, there has been an unprecedented normalisation of all manner of property crimes in a way that, to this New Yorker, is shocking in its banality. That dismissal of criticism as a conspiracy is thwarting civic discussion on this trend. The unfortunate e…
Why are you so sure it will set back police reform? The idea that "the police should be held accountable" and the idea that "the police are necessary and should be funded" are not mutually exclusive.
> Why are you so sure it will set back police reform?
The effect is palpable in New York. The current lead candidate is campaigning on a promise of increasing police powers. There was direct campaigning on not letting New York become San Francisco, and keeping the Chesas out of the DA seats.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tell me what city you're from and I find a scary headline. Be honest.
Singapore
You mean the place where you get thrown in prison then caned for tagging? Wow, I'd never want to visit that police state. Sounds like a lovely place.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/singapore-sentences-swiss-man-...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Fay
EDIT: time spent in prison was off by 7 months
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
> San Francisco is set to become the next Detroit This is hyperbole. The Bay Area remains an economic dynamo. San Francisco’s culinary and cultural credentials remain largely untouched. It’s a safe city to be rich around, and that will continue to be the case for the near future. The distinction important. Threatening the city’s economic elite with ruin is a red herring. Contrast that with Detroit, where the city’s e…
I don't know about those culinary credentials... other large cities have similar amounts of variety and quality, and a lot better parking and less homeless addicts near the restaurants. Can you give me some examples of cultural credentials?
> Can you give me some examples of cultural credentials?
San Francisco has a large number of Michelin-rated restaurants. Their clientele are largely insulated from these issues. It also has a large number of independent theatres and performance and exhibition spaces.
One of the city’s problems is its elites can live quite well independent of reality on the ground. That’s essential to the political problem, and why claims that San Francisco is going the way of Detroit can be distracting or even harmfully mollifying. This is not a system that will self stabilise.
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#35Prop 47 and SF's "criminals are oppressed by society" approach to crime are to blame here. You can't get the grunts to roll on the bosses if all you can charge them with is a misdemeanor, and you can't get police to even arrest thieves if the DA refuses to prosecute. This doesn't happen in other big cities like NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc.
Guessing that it being normal to wear a mask helps a bit as well. Less worry about being on camera. I would think SF could charge people with more than shoplifting if it's an organized event. California has "Section 490.4 - Organized retail theft" that covers this sort of thing.
> I would think SF could charge people with more than shoplifting if it's an organized event. California has Section 490.4 - Organized retail theft that cover this sort of thing.
Could? Certainly. The problem is that Chesa Boudin won't.
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#36Non-American resident: what’s going on in SF? Is the crime rate really so high, and racing up? And if so, why?
No it's not.
https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crim...
Pretty random fluctuations across crime categories year over year (5% up for robbery, vehicle theft, 11% down for larceny/theft, which is what this articles about...). For reference, it looks like a few years ago SF was 9th in the us for robbery, at 34 per 10k residents. The current sf stats come to about 40 per 10k residents.
https://www.safety.com/home-security/cities-with-high-rates-...
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#37There is a recall campaign underway for the San Francisco district attorney.[1] Needs 51,325 valid signatures by August 11th, 2021.
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#38Prop 47 and SF's "criminals are oppressed by society" approach to crime are to blame here. You can't get the grunts to roll on the bosses if all you can charge them with is a misdemeanor, and you can't get police to even arrest thieves if the DA refuses to prosecute. This doesn't happen in other big cities like NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc.
There’s a really weird political element in San Francisco which claims this reporting is all a conspiracy. While it’s true the violent crime coverage has been misleading, there has been an unprecedented normalisation of all manner of property crimes in a way that, to this New Yorker, is shocking in its banality. That dismissal of criticism as a conspiracy is thwarting civic discussion on this trend. The unfortunate e…
I work for a large foreign (but global retailer) with locations in the Bay Area including San Francisco. The bill for our monthly necessary armed security exceeds $20,000 a month.
My foreign coworker’s minds were blown that even every starbucks location needs security.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Singapore
You mean the place where you get thrown in prison then caned for tagging? Wow, I'd never want to visit that police state. Sounds like a lovely place. https://www.foxnews.com/world/singapore-sentences-swiss-man-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Fay EDIT: time spent in prison was off by 7 months
To be clear, "tagging" is vandalism. Also, your source says 5 months, not the 1 year that you claimed.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why are you so sure it will set back police reform? The idea that "the police should be held accountable" and the idea that "the police are necessary and should be funded" are not mutually exclusive.
> Why are you so sure it will set back police reform? The effect is palpable in New York. The current lead candidate is campaigning on a promise of increasing police powers. There was direct campaigning on not letting New York become San Francisco, and keeping the Chesas out of the DA seats.
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