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Will we ever fly supersonically over land?

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Re: Will we ever fly supersonically over land?

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Flying, in-general, is inefficient unless it's a large, lifting body in ground effect.

Flying on a full or almost-full plane is more carbon efficient than driving solo. And that's not taking into account the cost of the road networks we build and maintain to allow high volumes of vehicular traffic. https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2015/09/evolving-climate-...

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Re: Will we ever fly supersonically over land?

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How loud was it and how often did you experience it?

They did it near London once by in error. One little Typhoon can produce an unbelievably powerful sonic boom. I felt it as a loud crack/thump on my roof. Now, imagine a Concorde going supersonic...

It happens in the Lake District and Wales reasonably often. Often the pilot/crew will go out and apologize to a farmer. Sometimes livestock allegedly die, although I'm not sure what the mechanism is.

Re: Will we ever fly supersonically over land?

#83

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Unless we dramatically increase vacation time or dramatically increase rail speeds, that would mean that many people would not be able to see their families and friends or travel to events.

Absolutely not. 300 kph HSR rail exists in developed countries. (2680 miles) / (300 kilometers per hour) = 14.3768064 hours That's coast to coast in ~ 1/2 day. Ships and blimps represent a much larger decrease in travel time over airplanes than rail. They perhaps pose a to be solved, but rail doesn't.

You do need favorable terrain for that speed. Much of western US is not exactly flat, so the costs to build this will definitely not be cheap. More likely something slower and a multi-day trip.

I’d still consider a say 48h trip from SoCal to NYC provided I could work over wifi, but otherwise it’s really a nonstarter.

Re: Will we ever fly supersonically over land?

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It would be nice if we had publically funded communication etc tools. I am not seeing a valid business nodel here that does not involve either massive spying, or poor people loosing access to rest of society.

How does having public funding for communication help? Having a zoom equipped laptop available for use in a county building isn’t much of a stretch. Public funding of communication will also guarantee spying.

Spying is already guaranteed. Public funding means accountability in well-functioning democracies (sadly rare).

Re: Will we ever fly supersonically over land?

#85

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Unless we dramatically increase vacation time or dramatically increase rail speeds, that would mean that many people would not be able to see their families and friends or travel to events.

Absolutely not. 300 kph HSR rail exists in developed countries. (2680 miles) / (300 kilometers per hour) = 14.3768064 hours That's coast to coast in ~ 1/2 day. Ships and blimps represent a much larger decrease in travel time over airplanes than rail. They perhaps pose a to be solved, but rail doesn't.

Don’t look at a geographic district map, look at a topographical map. Or does the solution include a tunnel connecting Eastern Colorado with San Francisco?

Re: Will we ever fly supersonically over land?

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Air travel is not a problem because the emissions per kilometer are that bad but because one can easily travel one or two orders of magnitude farther than one usually would.

So your preferred solution is to restrict the allowed travel radius of people, a bit like with medieval serfs?

Maybe encourage more high speed rail instead?

Re: Will we ever fly supersonically over land?

#87

They will still use an enormous amount of fuel, carry fewer passengers, and heavily pollute the environment. I'm not too excited about the prospects.

Wait until you hear about SpaceX.

Do you mean the methane-powered Starship, for which they plan to use the Sabatier process to get CH4 from the atmosphere?

Re: Will we ever fly supersonically over land?

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So your preferred solution is to restrict the allowed travel radius of people, a bit like with medieval serfs?

What a rhetoric device. Is your preferred solution to let people die in droves to a mass extinction ?

My preferred solution is buttloads of nuclear, carbon neutral solutions to liquid fuel (e.g. pulling CH4 out of atmosphere with Sabatier) and general carbon capture.

Re: Will we ever fly supersonically over land?

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Air travel has a big PR problem, because somehow a lot of people think it's the absolute worst for the environment. While on many routes a car is worse in terms of CO2 emission per trip than a small to mid sized airliner if there are less than 3 people in the car. Similar for your suggestion that we should take ships over the ocean, because cruise ships are much more polluting per passenger mile than modern airliners…

> While on many routes a car is worse in terms of CO2 emission per trip than a small to mid sized airliner if there are less than 3 people in the car. Wow. I read that one plane trip can increase your carbon footprint by a greater magnitude than all your typical actions to reduce it. Does anyone know where to find some data? EDIT: Here's some data https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49349566 https://theicct.…

Jet engines are pretty robust to fuel quality within broad ranges. Atmospheric CO2 to a carbon-neutral jet fuel is technically possible now. (I don’t think it competes economically with Jet-A/kerosene/diesel at the moment.)

Re: Will we ever fly supersonically over land?

#90

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So your preferred solution is to restrict the allowed travel radius of people, a bit like with medieval serfs?

Nobody in this thread has suggested that.

Someone has now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27725760
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