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Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He had a favorite sushi place in Palo Alto. Maybe a pescaterian?

Ahh the worse diet for the environment. Seems fitting for Jobs.

That seems counter to my understanding of diets. Do you have any sources about this? I'd like to learn if I've been making misinformed decisions.

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

#52

> Oshima says he would even jokingly ask Jobs to name one of Apple's products 'Hiro.' That's not a bad alternative to 'Siri'

Fun fact: In Japanese there is no "Si" sound and the closest is "Shi", so "Siri" is pronounced "Shiri". You know what else is pronounced "Shiri" in Japanese? Buttocks (尻).

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

#53

It always frustrates me when techies have an irreverence for Steve Jobs, or let his brashness overshadow the value he bestowed upon the world. Jobs was once asked what distinguishes the ordinary from the great, and he said it boils down to "taste". he also described his job as being "an editor". instead of adding more and more, he decided what to sacrifice and what to focus on making great. that's a rare quality, esp…

I'm sure some don't give Jobs the credit he's due, but I'd say it's far more common for people to have too much reverence for him. You yourself here have reduced his often outrageous and terrible behaviour simply as "brashness".

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

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It always frustrates me when techies have an irreverence for Steve Jobs, or let his brashness overshadow the value he bestowed upon the world. Jobs was once asked what distinguishes the ordinary from the great, and he said it boils down to "taste". he also described his job as being "an editor". instead of adding more and more, he decided what to sacrifice and what to focus on making great. that's a rare quality, esp…

He set back wages for techies for years, and was a prick to his family & friends (disavowing his daughter, screwing Woz out of money). I don't care if he was the brightest guy on earth, or what "value" he bestowed on the world. He wasn't a good human being. Same goes for Gates.

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

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post #3

The Ryokan that they mention he always stayed at is apparently very good: https://www.annees-de-pelerinage.com/tawaraya-ryokan-review-... "Concierge service at the breakfast table is good, but the story goes on. On my way out one of the porters silently approached me and said: “Schwarze-sama, we checked the weather forecast and there will be rain this evening. So here is an umbrella to take along. Also, we took the l…

I was amazed by service in Ryokan too - by the time we checked in our suitcases were in our rooms. By the time we had breakfast (with lady getting on her knees and explaining everything) our futons were done (we felt a bit embarrassed leaving mess and personal items everywhere).

Ryokan is one of the best experiences in travel!

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

#57

It always frustrates me when techies have an irreverence for Steve Jobs, or let his brashness overshadow the value he bestowed upon the world. Jobs was once asked what distinguishes the ordinary from the great, and he said it boils down to "taste". he also described his job as being "an editor". instead of adding more and more, he decided what to sacrifice and what to focus on making great. that's a rare quality, esp…

I think it's convenient to give a leader all of the credit for what is a massive effort by a massive organization.

I think it's convenient to say that a massive organization is doing well only because of that leader and not, at least occasionally, despite that leader.

Moreover, a lot of educated people understand that graphs have incredibly complex behavior and can't be well understood from the "first" node a stimulus enters through and yet we are quick to laud Jobs for all of the successes of his network; it's like this insane pyramid scheme of credit attribution.

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

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It always frustrates me when techies have an irreverence for Steve Jobs, or let his brashness overshadow the value he bestowed upon the world. Jobs was once asked what distinguishes the ordinary from the great, and he said it boils down to "taste". he also described his job as being "an editor". instead of adding more and more, he decided what to sacrifice and what to focus on making great. that's a rare quality, esp…

Appreciate your frustration, but you should appreciate something else in turn: Steve Jobs was an asshole to many, many people for many, many years -- and "Steve stories" abound among the veterans in our industry. Speaking personally, my own introduction to Jobs was being at a friend's house as a kid, and overhearing her father being absolutely screamed at by someone on a speaker phone in his office. I looked at her, alarmed -- and she explained that this was just Steve Jobs, and that Jobs screamed at her father frequently. Her father, it must be said, is Fred Ebrahimi, then CEO of Quark.[0] It took me many years to appreciate that he was likely being screamed at by Jobs -- who was then CEO of NeXT -- because Jobs desperately needed software for the NeXT Cube, and that QuarkXpress was high on the list. (And as relayed in Randall Stross's book on Jobs at NeXT[1], he in fact did much worse than scream at Ebrahimi, stooping to belittle him based on his national origin.)

So yes, I'm afraid you are just going to have to be frustrated; Jobs was -- to put it generously -- complicated: his vision is rightfully lauded, but his conduct should broadly not serve as a model.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark_(company)

[1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/226316.Steve_Jobs_the_Ne...

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

#59
post #54

It always frustrates me when techies have an irreverence for Steve Jobs, or let his brashness overshadow the value he bestowed upon the world. Jobs was once asked what distinguishes the ordinary from the great, and he said it boils down to "taste". he also described his job as being "an editor". instead of adding more and more, he decided what to sacrifice and what to focus on making great. that's a rare quality, esp…

He set back wages for techies for years, and was a prick to his family & friends (disavowing his daughter, screwing Woz out of money). I don't care if he was the brightest guy on earth, or what "value" he bestowed on the world. He wasn't a good human being. Same goes for Gates.

Gates is borderline criminal

Re: Steve Jobs in Kyoto

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to his biography, he did initially try to cure his cancer by going fruitarian. Obviously, the cancer got worse instead of better, and he ended up needing a transplant. I suspect (and I have nothing to go off of other than his biography) that he didn't actually completely expect the fruit diet to work, and may have simply believed that if it was his time to go, it was his time to go, but his wife may have ev…

Steve Jobs died from pancreatic cancer. He received a liver transplant, which is not related to that cancer.

His cancer was metastatic, meaning it spread to other parts of his body. That happens when a cancer is left untreated.
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