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Tatas to build world's cheapest home for Euro 500

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Re: Tatas to build world's cheapest home for Euro 500

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And so it starts. A decade or two after opening up the economy, Indian companies have started moving up the value chain, creating solutions to local problems instead of mindlessly building things designed elsewhere. Great to see this happen in my lifetime.

Tata seems to relish creating products for the bottom of the pyramid that no other corporation will touch. What they are doing reaffirms my faith in capitalism.

I think this is more because of Ratan Tata's philanthropic nature. He is the best of the current breed of industrialists in the country though it is still sad that the richest Indians (Mittal might be an exception) inherited their V.C money (and got a lot of it actually).

Re: Tatas to build world's cheapest home for Euro 500

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The problem with these projects Tata is taking up is that by tying to gain some press out of these its making these unusable. The cheapest car was advertized as such a lot and so there was a stigma of sorts associated with it. At the end of the day it was not that inexpensive (with added/needed features) but by Nano is now branded as car for the poor and so people are not inclined to buy it.

To add to what you are saying, the problem with the Nano was that it was addressed at a market where the average buyer will look at all options available. A car is not a "life necessity" and that alone puts the prospective buyer in a different class. This means that the Nano competes with the other offerings on the market rather than being a separate market unto itself. The Tatas envisaged a separate market developing around the product, which didn't happen, and hence the low sale numbers. What they might want to do is try and "create" the segment they want. How they do it is entirely up to their marketing team, although being a marketeer I might be able to think some ideas up as well.

The Nano stigma you talk about was the average car buyer looking at it and thinking, "That is a terrible car." Wrong audience. But I can understand why they did it though. As a car manufacturer trying out new things, their marketing did tend to see it as a "car market" problem -- hammer, meet nail.

Housing on the other hand is a "life necessity." If the houses Tata is promising are able to deliver on quality, security, repairabilty, and temperature issues, you might have a winner. It will also have to withstand the endless jugaads people are going to subject it to in cramped urban spaces.

On the other hand despite Tata's tall claims, it's difficult to see their marketing team do much about it. I don't see Tata Swach ubiquitously in shops here, nor do they respond to inquiries about their solar cells (I tried). Beyond the brochures and the websites, it's difficult to get Tata to respond to you. This makes most of these announcements pointless.

As an Indian, all I feel is further dejection and the hopelessness of dealing with a bunch of lotus eaters with press releases trying to solve problems of an audience they do not understand.

Re: Tatas to build world's cheapest home for Euro 500

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I have come across some very safe, efficient, and cheap building designs that I would love to build on some land. In the U.S., it is very hard to go through all the paperwork to get it built. If I had someone put a rickety frame in the ground and slap on some drywall, it would be easy as pie to get the paperwork done. The U.S. building code seems broken from my perspective. Cheap homes are not hard.

I built a strawbale house in 1998. Cost of the strawbales was about $1000, and the cost of the rest of the house was another $85,000..... it was 1400 sqft. Amazing how much the rest of the "necessities" cost.

The house had 2000 ft of CAT-5 in it, about 1000 ft of co-ax.

Re: Tatas to build world's cheapest home for Euro 500

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Considering that 40% of Indians earn less than 1.25$ a day, this still is not going to completely solve the problems faced by the "average person" in India. Anyone who can afford this house is probably working in one of the cities where the cost of land would be at least 10 times the cost of the actual house. So who would actually be able to use this?

This would mean that the value of one of these cheap tiny houses is about the price of three years worth of income. In America, a house (including land) averages around $200k to $250k in a fairly populated area (Denver, Portland, Seattle, etc - you can forget about SF) which comes in at around three years or four years of income. It would seem kind of weird to be marketing a $200k home as a "cheap solution" for the p…

House in Seattle for $250k? Not really.

Re: Tatas to build world's cheapest home for Euro 500

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The Tata group is probably the only major group in India which prides itself in hardcore engineering. Think of them like the "Google" of India. Kudos to them for tackling India's problems.

The Tatas have consistently impressed me. They're like Andrew Carnegie of India. The patriarch Jamsetji Tata ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamsetji_Tata ) help setup the Indian Institute of Science (it is so intimately connected that in local parlance it is often referred to as the Tata Institute) and TIFR both of which are premier research institutions in India. Another Tata, JRD Tata is the most well known though…

Tata is involved in https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Nira_Radia

Re: Tatas to build world's cheapest home for Euro 500

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The Tata car is a ridiculous piece of metal that should not be called a car. So I hope the Tata home will be better... Not very optimistic though...

Have driven Tata Nano and must say they put an incredible engineering effort into building that thing. It is a good car for that price.

I respect the Indian engineering and the effort. I have several Indian friends, who are very capable and intelligent people. But with $2500 you just cannot make something I would call a car. See my other post on why.

Re: Tatas to build world's cheapest home for Euro 500

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The Tata car is a ridiculous piece of metal that should not be called a car. So I hope the Tata home will be better... Not very optimistic though...

>The Tata car is a ridiculous piece of metal that should not be called a car. Why, exactly?

Some facts from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Nano

- NO airbags

- NO passenger-side wing mirror

- NO crumple zone

- Front brake: 180 mm drum (drum brakes at the front... WTF???)

- Rear brake: 180 mm drum

- With kerb weight of 600kg and power output of 26 kW it will go reasonably fast with one person inside, but will be completely undrivable with 4 people inside. How do you overtake in this case? And being able to overtake IS a safety feature!

- The Nano's trunk is only accessible from inside the car, as the rear hatch does not open.

- Three lug nuts on the wheels instead of the usual four

SO one of the main concerns is the safety. I would not want any of my close people driving in this box of wheels, without basic safety features. Several tests in Europe showed pretty good results (not Euro NCAP though), but this is the European version, that costs around $6000. My main point is that for this money you can buy a much better 5-6 years old car, which will be much safer and much better to drive and live with.

Re: Tatas to build world's cheapest home for Euro 500

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As with most things coming out of India, I would take this with a grain of salt. There've been promises of things like a $10 laptop and a $35 tablet in the past. When (if ever) they actually materialized, however, the price was either much higher or the quality/features much lower than promised. Relatedly, this is a big difference between India and China. In China, when the CPC decides to do something, it happens, no…

In China, when the CPC decides to do something, it happens, no matter how many heads roll in the process. Sadly, 'heads rolling' is closer to the truth than you probably meant. Human rights abuses of workers working on state-sponsored public-facing projects is common. :/

Oh, I meant it in the most literal sense possible. It is not possible to achieve the kind of breakneck-pace modernization that has taken place over the last ~30 years in a country as large and diverse as China without a very centralized, authoritarian government that doesn't fuck around.

The reason why Japan (and Taiwan and South Korea, to a lesser extent) was able to modernize at a similar rate from ~1950-1990 was because of its ethnic and cultural homogeneity. They technically have a democracy, but everyone is so alike that, in practice, the same political party (the LDP) stayed in power for that entire period. There is no way in hell that a similar situation could occur in China.

China's modernization has no doubt come at a terrible price, albeit one that Americans, as a democratic and (supposedly) just country, are able to ignore thanks to our ability to collectively ignore the cognitive dissonance.

Re: Tatas to build world's cheapest home for Euro 500

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As with most things coming out of India, I would take this with a grain of salt. There've been promises of things like a $10 laptop and a $35 tablet in the past. When (if ever) they actually materialized, however, the price was either much higher or the quality/features much lower than promised. Relatedly, this is a big difference between India and China. In China, when the CPC decides to do something, it happens, no…

> In China, when the CPC decides to do something, it happens, no matter how many heads roll in the process.

You say that, but China's government is in some ways no better than India's. Take a look at the high profile, recently opened Beijing-Shanghai high speed railway - which has already had several power malfunctions in the last two weeks. [1] The CPC has its own corruption and problems as well - they're just not as obvious as India's.

[1] http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iYyU6_FOL0...

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